Christianity vs. every other religion... - New England Patriots Forums

***Terry Glenn is a cowgirl*** · 10-01-2006, 02:30 AM

Why is it nowadays; that you can practice practically any kind of religion... as long as it leaves Jesus out of the picture?

This is a very simple question...

I'm not going to get my bible and bash everyone's head in (not my kind of thing...), but it is at the very least, curious.

Something to ponder...

***shmessy*** · 10-01-2006, 07:43 AM

Whoever wrote here that "you can practice practically any kind of religion... as long as it leaves Jesus out of the picture?".

I believe that Christianity is a wonderful religion and that the teachings of Jesus are important and worthwhile. If someone is a Christian then, obviously, Jesus is central to that person's beliefs.

I believe that anyone should be free from any harrassment to practice any religion they feel. There is a difference between someone who has Jesus in his life and someone who constantly and unsolicitedly pushes his version of Jesus into other people's lives when such people have already said "for ourselves, no thank you, we're OK with what we have".

I fully support your right to eat and enjoy lobster. Just respect my right to refuse one for myself. There need not be continuous followup interrogations. If it works for 3tobe4, then GREAT. I do appreciate the first offer, because he wants to help others in the way that he feels has helped himself. But when it becomes an ongoing campaign after the first refusal, then that is over the edge and is simply disrespectful of others' thoughts and beliefs.

Pretty clear, no?

3 to be 4 · 10-01-2006, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by shmessy

Whoever wrote here that "you can practice practically any kind of religion... as long as it leaves Jesus out of the picture?".

I believe that Christianity is a wonderful religion and that the teachings of Jesus are important and worthwhile. If someone is a Christian then, obviously, Jesus is central to that person's beliefs.

I believe that anyone should be free from any harrassment to practice any religion they feel. There is a difference between someone who has Jesus in his life and someone who constantly and unsolicitedly pushes his version of Jesus into other people's lives when such people have already said "for ourselves, no thank you, we're OK with what we have".

I fully support your right to eat and enjoy lobster. Just respect my right to refuse one for myself. There need not be continuous followup interrogations. If it works for 3tobe4, then GREAT. I do appreciate the first offer, because he wants to help others in the way that he feels has helped himself. But when it becomes an ongoing campaign after the first refusal, then that is over the edge and is simply disrespectful of others' thoughts and beliefs.

Pretty clear, no?

one problem with that. I was attacked first. there was no "for ourselves, no thank you, we're OK with what we have". I didnt push a thing on you. I posted a link that said "Old Testament reasons for Jews to believe in Jesus" and I got a torrent of rude hostility. And the music videos and my "Please read this if you need Jesus" was not directed at any one person. It was for whover wanted to see it.

If you and some others here didnt want to hear from me in the other threads over and over and over again you simply shoulnt have continually engaged me and insulted me.

very simple.

***shmessy*** · 10-01-2006, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by 3 to be 4 8/16/2006:
"logic would tell me that if you buy into all that, then Schmessy and NEM, you are both Orthodox Jews? Mozeltov! "

Shmessy's original reply, 8/16/2006: "I'm not Orthodox, but I am a Jew. And I will never proselytize to you. My religious belief is inside me and strong. It is not force fed by someone tirelessly campaigning. Debating someone to submit to your paradigm does not result in a true believer. It must come from inside, not outside.

Furthermore, in another thread you write that in the past 3 weeks "ive been getting into all kinds of scraps and embarrassing situations. Every time, its because ive been engaging in the "old me" behavior.Post a beautiful praising song to God one moment, and then post a mean spirited news story to get a chuckle over how stupid someone is, that kind of thing.On this site, i made a mean comment about a murder that happened at a Buffet. Sure enough, someone that knew the victim saw my link and was very hurt by it."

Don't you think that that may be a little warning light indicator that maybe ....perhaps...you don't yet have the insight to be preaching to others??? Analogy: No one wants to get a driving lesson from a drunk.

I TRULY wish you success in your search for INNER peace and understanding. I look forward to hearing about the progress you make."

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The above was the first exchange you and I had on this website. It took place in a thread you originated titled: "Old Testament Reasons for Jews to Believe in Jesus". I think it appropriate now to complete the circle and post it here on this day.

I am not going to state that "I am going to stop posting here anymore" - - that would be less than honest:

Thanks for the Opportunity

However, at this moment in time, I am going to look in other directions on this website.

As I ended my first post in response to your proselytizing, I will end this one with the same hope: I sincerely wish you the very best in your search for INNER peace and understanding.

PatsFanInVa · 10-01-2006, 09:11 AM

Amen, Shmessy.

PFnV

3 to be 4 · 10-01-2006, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by shmessy

Quote:
Originally Posted by 3 to be 4 8/16/2006:
"logic would tell me that if you buy into all that, then Schmessy and NEM, you are both Orthodox Jews? Mozeltov! "

Shmessy's original reply, 8/16/2006: "I'm not Orthodox, but I am a Jew. And I will never proselytize to you. My religious belief is inside me and strong. It is not force fed by someone tirelessly campaigning. Debating someone to submit to your paradigm does not result in a true believer. It must come from inside, not outside.

Furthermore, in another thread you write that in the past 3 weeks "ive been getting into all kinds of scraps and embarrassing situations. Every time, its because ive been engaging in the "old me" behavior.Post a beautiful praising song to God one moment, and then post a mean spirited news story to get a chuckle over how stupid someone is, that kind of thing.On this site, i made a mean comment about a murder that happened at a Buffet. Sure enough, someone that knew the victim saw my link and was very hurt by it."

Don't you think that that may be a little warning light indicator that maybe ....perhaps...you don't yet have the insight to be preaching to others??? Analogy: No one wants to get a driving lesson from a drunk.

I TRULY wish you success in your search for INNER peace and understanding. I look forward to hearing about the progress you make."

_____________________________

The above was the first exchange you and I had on this website. It took place in a thread you originated titled: "Old Testament Reasons for Jews to Believe in Jesus". I think it appropriate now to complete the circle and post it here on this day.

I am not going to state that "I am going to stop posting here anymore" - - that would be less than honest:

Thanks for the Opportunity

However, at this moment in time, I am going to look in other directions on this website.

As I ended my first post in response to your proselytizing, I will end this one with the same hope: I sincerely wish you the very best in your search for INNER peace and understanding.

check out post #18 on the Old Testament... thread

Old Testament reasons for Jews to believe in Jesus

its funny how you conveniantly left that out. 2 posts BEFORE the one you quoted up here as our first exchange. You backed up what NEM's had to say. So you engaged me first. How would i know the name Schmessy if you had not fired a shot at me first?

since these posts were so close together, you KNEW this when you posted the above quote. You are the definition for disengenuous.

that being said. Good luck in your journey and be blessed.

***shmessy*** · 10-01-2006, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 3 to be 4

check out post #18 on the Old Testament... thread

Old Testament reasons for Jews to believe in Jesus

its funny how you conveniantly left that out. 2 posts BEFORE the one you quoted up here as our first exchange. You backed up what NEM's had to say. So you engaged me first. How would i know the name Schmessy if you had not fired a shot at me first?

since these posts were so close together, you KNEW this when you posted the above quote. You are the definition for disengenuous.

that being said. Good luck in your journey and be blessed.

The post you reference in that thread was addressed towards NEM, not you, although it being a public website, anyone can chime in of course.

In fact, for purposes of absolute clarity, here is that post verbatim:
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"Now THAT'S the stuff! Thank you NEM, that changed my life.
If you have any more of those verses, I'm like a thirsty desert wanderer dreaming of this water............."
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I enjoy jousting with "crazy Uncle NEM in the attic". He takes a good natured ribbing well and, frankly, tends to bask in the attention. He had just posted two incredibly long and ponderous quotes that , I suspect, were lifted from a three minute Google search and I was merely ribbing him in a good natured way.

If you step back and think about it, it is very funny that all this began because you thought that post was targeted at you!

There was absolutely no motive to engage you in that post, however I am glad we've had our subsequent exchanges. You're trying and striving and that is a good thing.

Best regards and thanks for the blessing.

Fencer · 10-03-2006, 01:23 AM

The premise of this thread is ridiculous. Christianity is only "discriminated" against in this country when there's a dispute as to whether some Christianity-friendly act on the part of the Government is just being friendly or whether it's actively pushing the religion on the public. Now, we DO have "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance, "In God We Trust" on the currency, theology being pushed over science in school curricula, etc., etc. So those disputes arise a lot. But Christians are hardly an embattled minority.

***Terry Glenn is a cowgirl*** · 10-03-2006, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Fencer

The premise of this thread is ridiculous. Christianity is only "discriminated" against in this country when there's a dispute as to whether some Christianity-friendly act on the part of the Government is just being friendly or whether it's actively pushing the religion on the public. Now, we DO have "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance, "In God We Trust" on the currency, theology being pushed over science in school curricula, etc., etc. So those disputes arise a lot. But Christians are hardly an embattled minority.

WRONG ANSWER.

God ISN"T the same as Jesus.

NOT EVEN CLOSE.

Some people's God is Lucifer. Some people's God is porno movies. Some people's God is football.

Come on now... wake up!!!!

You just assumed that God was the same thing as Jesus... not true at all.

***Terry Glenn is a cowgirl*** · 10-03-2006, 04:32 AM

Most people don't have the foggiest idea what REALLY is running this country.

Pretty simple one though. You can even see it on the back of your $1 dollar bill.

The people who REALLY run this place, use alot of smoke and mirror like-logic.

They LOVE using symbolism and such...