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  1. Tuck

    Tuck Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

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    There seems to be an avalanche of these articles now and the criticism is getting louder. Enjoy.

    https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/n...tom-brady--pats-look-laughable-183355728.html

     
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    Except, they'll control access, conditions, and reporting of the numbers.

    Or will it be as open and honest as Wells, Goodell and the entire deflate-gate fiasco has been? If they really have nothing to hide, the results will be recorded and all recordings will be witnessed by staff from both teams and an outside party with no ties to the NFL or any of their influence.
     
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    Exactly. We will never see the real numbers. There is NO WAY that happens. None. The are 5 million reasons. They will manipulate them to what fits their agenda. If they really wanted it to be open, like you said they would have non league personnel there to verify. I'm sure Felger and Mazz will think this is great and it will be trustworthy.
     
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    EXACTLY my thought when reading the article.

    In December, we'll have a highly publicized article from one of the ESPN or NFL Network hacks stating that the end of game pressure remained fairly consistent with the start of game pressure.

    What the won't tell us, or what will be buried in the fine print however, is that the readings were from the summer month of August in the preseason.
     
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    Nothing positive is going to happen for this team regardless of what is written or happens in the next few months aside from having our QB for the first four games. That is the extent of any upside for us. NFL isn't going to be embarrassed or lose anything.
     
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    I just started reading it and detected a pretty big error in the 2nd paragraph:

    There will be more footballs used – 12 primary, 12 backup. Each will be numbered. All footballs will be set to 13 pounds per square inch before the game and then measured again afterward. At select games, the primary balls will be measured and removed at halftime and the second half will be played with the backups.

    The writer made a mistake. It is not true that all footballs are being set to 13. Only those submitted outside the legal range get set to 13. It is very frustrating to combat ignorance when there is so much of it out there! :D

    EDIT: I take back my unkind words. OK he botched the above, but he nailed the part about "the idea that New England grossly cheated comes from a wholly inaccurate and highly prejudicial ESPN report from January that the league never bothered to refute."

    Please forgive! :D:D
     
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    Nah, they'll be more clever. They will measure the Patriots' balls against the same opponent. In other words, if their balls don't deflate against the Colts this year, that means they cheated against the Colts last year. :D
     
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    Yahoo sports is notorious for terrible articles and fan boy journalism. I would actually prefer to read Bleacher Report over Yahoo sports ten times over, if that tells you anything. They often get their facts wrong.
     
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    The Patriots are quietly still updating the Wells report context site. Yahoo's Dan Wetzel's article (not this one, but the one from last Friday) is linked there.
     
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    Ding, ding, ding...we have a winner!
    Who in their right mind would believe Goodell and the NFL office can be trusted to allow the data/evidence to be collected without bias? I'd bet even the lice over at ESPN couldn't get through saying that in an on air Goodell suck up report without pausing to laugh.

    Goodell/the NFL shaped, manipulated, twisted, PR'd the 'Defaltegate' investigation and evidence in order to smear an A list marquee player simply to play PR and power games. Are there serious people who believe they wouldn't do it again with the football inflation data? Seek help immediately if you are reading this and believe "they wouldn't do that".
     
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    You know how they have a thermometer saying "it's 50 degrees right now etc"?

    We need to stick a gauge in a football in Gillette stadium, call it the official stadium ball or get it sponsored and all that crap, put a camera in front of the gauge, and show it on the big screen.
     
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    If Pereira is right, we will know any game which has been randomly selected for halftime measurement because he says the balls will be numbered 1-24. So balls 1-12 are used in the first half. Any game where we see #'s 13-24 in the 2nd half would be a game with halftime measurements.

    I guarantee you the media will want some detailed info on the halftime measurements. Granted, the NFL could just outright lie, but we will see.
     
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    Koma In the Starting Line-Up

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    Isn't the article wrong about compiling data from 332 games? Aren't they only testing at random games? I don't think they even announced how many random tests they'll be doing. It could be 50 games over the course of the season, it could be 5.
     
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    Apparently the league's stance is it ii isn't lying if you leak it anonymously. Be ready for leaks claiming that none of the checked balls come close to the Patriots'. Then sometime in may they'll release their real findings.

    Those findings will use the incompetence in this investigation to paint the Patriots'as guilty while all the numbers exonerate them. My personal guess is "After studying pressures over the last season we've been unable to explain the pressure difference between the Patriots'and Colts' balls".
     
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    This is exactly why krafty Bob should hire a few people to conduct the same measurements jnder the exact same conditions with a control group of footballs. If they did this they could refute any findings put forth by the league...cuz u know they'll mysteriously be contrary to ideal gas law...
     
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    Belichick already did that within one week of Framegate commencing.

    And he delivered his findings at the press conference of January 24th.

    http://blog.masslive.com/patriots/2015/01/post_19.html

    "......I’ve talked to and gathered a lot of information from members of our staff, I have talked to other people familiar with this subject in other organizations and we have performed an internal study of the process and I think there are certainly other things that I can do and there’s maybe other research that can be done, but I say at this time, I definitely have enough information to share with you.....

    ......We simulated a game day situation in terms of the preparation of the football and where the footballs were at various points in time during the day, or night, as the case was Sunday. I would say that our preparation process for the footballs is what we do. I can’t speak for anybody else. It’s what we do. That process, we have found raises the PSI [pounds per square inch] approximately one pound. That process of creating a tackiness, a texture – the right feel, whatever that feel is, it’s just a sensation for the quarterback, what’s the right feel. That process elevates the PSI approximately one pound based on what our study showed, which was multiple footballs, multiple examples in the process, as we would do for a game. It’s not one football.

    When the footballs are delivered to the officials locker room, the officials were asked to inflate them to 12.5 PSI. What exactly they did, I don’t know. But for the purposes of our study, that’s what we did. We set them at 12.5. That’s at the discretion of the official, though. Regardless of what we ask for, it’s the official’s discretion to put them where he wants. Again, that’s done in a controlled climate. The footballs are prepared in our locker room, they’re delivered to the officials locker room, which is a controlled environment. Whatever we have here is what we have there. When the footballs go out on to the field into game conditions, whatever those conditions are, whether it’s hot and humid, whether it’s cold and damp, whether it’s cold and dry, whether it’s whatever it is, that’s where the footballs are played with, and that’s where the measurements would be different than what they are, possibly different, than what they are in a controlled environment. That’s what we found.

    We found that once the footballs were on the field over an extended period of time, in other words, they were adjusted to the climatic conditions and also the fact that the footballs reached an equilibrium without the rubbing process, that after that had run its course and the footballs had reached an equilibrium, that they were down approximately one-and-a-half pounds per square inch. When we brought the footballs back in after that process and re-tested them in a controlled environment as we have here, then those measurements rose approximately one half pound per square inch. So the net of one and a half, back to a half, is approximately one pound per square inch, to one and a half......"
     
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    I heard on the radio (Dale and Holley) that a member of the team would be able to observe the measurements - and when I say a member of the team I mean an actual player. D&H speculated that would fall to Garoppolo.

    Has anyone heard anything remotely along these lines? I can't believe something that significant was missed by the MSM so I probably misheard it all.
     
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    goodell will order his minions to rig the psi numbers.
    i hope this ****er loses his job
     
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    I have a hunch you may be correct. I thought I heard that it was just going to be at random times, as well. I imagine that we'll be learning more as the finer details trickle out in the coming days/weeks.
     
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    I remember as February turned to March turned to April we got more and more optimistic and positive articles coming from everywhere about how the Patriots are looking good, how the league is going to be looking bad, etc etc. And then the bomb dropped.

    So yeah
     
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