Would Haynesworth make a good 3-4 DE?

[tanked_as_usual]

it could be a good opportunity to have someone that would be relatively cost-effective for the next 3 year....I would think he would be better than any option coming out of college.....

looks like they want to trade him

 

[Kontradiction]

Did you just call Haynesworth "cost effective"?

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Are you really that dumb or just intent on starting another thread to stir the pot... If he would make a good 3-4 DE why would Shannahan be willing to part with him as he transitions to that scheme. He's a 4-3 DT who projects as a NT in the 3-4. He is either due $33M over the next 3 seasons with $24M of it paid out this season by the team he plays for, or he is due $9M because Snyder actually paid his "guaranteed" $21M option April 1 in which case the trade price for him would likely be in the half your draft range...

Per Schefter the Redskins are not actively persuing trading him, likely because they realize he is basicaly untradeable. They did offer him to the Eagles in exchange for McNabb, on March 31st before his option was due, and they passed.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Haynesworth wants a 4-3,I don't think teams are going after a disgruntled 100M player at this point until he proves that he was not just a product of the Titans defense.

 

[Patspsycho]

it could be a good opportunity to have someone that would be relatively cost-effective for the next 3 year....I would think he would be better than any option coming out of college.....

looks like they want to trade him

Now you're really living up to your username. :eat2:

 

[eom]

2/27/2009: Signed a seven-year, $100 million contract. The deal contains $41 million guaranteed, including a $5 million signing bonus and his 2009-2011 base salaries. Haynesworth is due a $29 million "poison pill" in 2013, effectively making it a four-year, $48.2 million deal. Another $15 million is available through incentives. 2010: $3.6 million (+ $21 million guaranteed option bonus due 4/1), 2011: $5.4 million, 2012: $6.7 million (+ $500,000 workout bonus), 2013: $8.5 million (+ $20 million "discretionary signing bonus" + $500,000 roster bonus due 8/31 = Poison Pill Year), 2014: $10.3 million (+ $500,000 roster bonus due 8/31), 2015: $11.5 million (+ $500,000 roster bonus due 8/31), 2016: Free Agent

 

[BritPat]

Haynesworth is being a prick because he doesn't want to play in the 3-4.

It's that bad, he supposedly wants to go to the Lions.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Haynesworth could be very good as a 3-4 DE, yes. But he's expensive as hell, a malcontent, and he's already made it very clear that he's not interested in playing the position, so... wtf is the point of this thread?

 

[DW Toys]

it could be a good opportunity to have someone that would be relatively cost-effective for the next 3 year....I would think he would be better than any option coming out of college.....

looks like they want to trade him

I think others have missed your point. Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't that about what we were paying Green (see below)? It comes down like Seymour. When he wanted to play he was unstoppable. Key word is when. I could see him as a 5 Tech DE. He is only 29. His problem with Shanny was telling Shanny he wouldn't like to play NT. Switching to a 3-4, Shanny doesn't have a real NT. Shanny has no other choice. We already have a decent one in VW. It would change to dynamics of the Team. Problem is the Skins will want some of that $21m back to accept a trade and then expect probably a first rounder.

"With the Redskins having paid Albert Haynesworth his $21 million option bonus, his contract is essentially reduced to a three-year, $16M deal.
$9M is guaranteed. "Every team in the NFL would have interest in that," a league source told Profootballtalk.com."

Not as crazy as it sounds if you read the contract information. You can bail at the end of three years on his present horror show contract. If you could get away without paying Snyder some of that $21m and get him at #53, why not? Remember some of these Cousins want Ordick who was pummeled by a mediocre LSU O-Line in their Bowl game and even dissed as he was not bothered to be double teamed. You really really want that guy? And at #22? Go figure? Look at the tape. Don't listen to some sports guy that never played a down in his life who says Ordick is THE "perfect Pats choice". It's not as crazy as it seems for Albert, compensation pending.

DW Toys

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

The Pats are NOT going 4-3 full time and are still in the 3-4 mode.

I don't get how Albert would be more happy here than in Washington where he is already in the midst of the similar defensive formation he does not like.

If I were Shanahan, I piss him off and send him to the Raiders.

 

[Bostonian1962]

it could be a good opportunity to have someone that would be relatively cost-effective for the next 3 year....I would think he would be better than any option coming out of college.....

looks like they want to trade him

Hey there Tanked. Answer: A resounding NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

First, he's the opposite of cost effective. Second, he played like crap last year and blamed the coaches for not using him correctly. He's been nothing but a malcontent and a headache with the Skins (I live here in Skins country).

Now, with the Skins switching to a 3-4, he's lambasting them saying 'I don't do 3-4'.

He's always nicked, costs too much, didn't play well last year, blamed the coaches, and is already blaming the 3-4 in advance this year. Other than that, we should get him.

 

[Rob0729]

The guy is 350lbs. He might be able to play DE in certain situations and spot duty like Wilfork has. He might be fast for his size, but a 350lb guy is too slow to be an every or even most down DE in the 3-4.

The only way I see him going to a 3-4 team is as a NT. If the Redskins were even confident he would be great at that, they wouldn't have even considered trading him since they just gave him a huge roster bonus that they are unlikely to get back unless they give Haynesworth away for a later round pick by convincing the team acquiring him to pick up that tab.

On a side note, if the Redskins do trade him and do not get back the roster bonus, they would have paid Haynesworth about $27 million for one year's worth of service. And that year was disapointing to say the least.

 

[VJCPatriot]

The Pats are NOT going 4-3 full time and are still in the 3-4 mode.

I don't get how Albert would be more happy here than in Washington where he is already in the midst of the similar defensive formation he does not like.

If I were Shanahan, I piss him off and send him to the Raiders.

That would indeed be funny, but I don't think the Raiders can afford Haynesworth because of the Asomugha contract. Maybe the Raiders could convince the Skins to take Asomugha for Haynesworth? They do need a DT and they play the 4-3 base defense.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

That would indeed be funny, but I don't think the Raiders can afford Haynesworth because of the Asomugha contract. Maybe the Raiders could convince the Skins to take Asomugha for Haynesworth? They do need a DT and they play the 4-3 base defense.

Rumors out that with Sheldon Brown gone and only Hobbs as a viable CB opposite Samuel,The Eagles are seriously looking to make a deal with the Raiders for Asomugha..Maybe they use some of those extra draft picks in the deal if they choose to follow up on this rumor or use extra picks to drive up and nab Berry.

 

[TheComeback]

For those of us who actually know we're talking about, it could be a worthwhile move for the Pats if the compensation isn't too high, and I don't think it will be.

Haynesworth's contract might be "worth" $100 million, but in actuality it has three years left at $16 million, with only $9 million guaranteed. As someone else pointed out, there is a poison pill year four seasons from now, when Albert would be 33. He would likely be cut or traded at that point.

The fact that Haynesworth is publicly conflicting with a coach like Mike Shanahan ought to drive his trade value down even further, coupled with the fact he didn't play as well as expected last year (though I'd argue he is still an elite player).

Albert's issue with Shanahan isn't playing 3-4 DE, it's playing 3-4 NT. We already have a nose tackle. At DE, Haynesworth could be utilized to rush the passer just as Seymour was, except that he would be cheaper than Seymour.

The only question is whether he would play hard for the Pats. I personally think he plays harder than what people give him credit for, but is more scrutinized than other players due to the overblown image of his contract. He does have some character questions, but there's no doubting his ability.

If he could be had for a reasonable deal, I would at least consider it. However, you have to imagine that Belichick isn't going to be interested in the type of player Haynesworth is. If he were, he wouldn't have traded Richard Seymour.

 

[TheComeback]

The guy is 350lbs. He might be able to play DE in certain situations and spot duty like Wilfork has. He might be fast for his size, but a 350lb guy is too slow to be an every or even most down DE in the 3-4.

You ever actually watched the guy play? You can't get hung up on someone's size when discussing what position they are going to play. There is more to football than height and weight. Guys like Welker, Brees, and Ngata are living proof of that (Ngata is a "prototypical" 345 lb 3-4 NT who is also an excellent 3-4 DE).

Yes, Haynesworth is 350 lbs, but he's quite mobile for that size, which explains why he is often viewed as a penetrating defensive tackle. Which also explains why he doesn't want to play nose.

As for the contract numbers, read my previous post. He is no where near as expensive as you believe.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

We will all find out if Albert is a stud or just a product of Jeff Fisher's defense and the way the Titans played or did he just have an off and injured year last year in Washington?.

Too many questions remain on this player that maybe just a few teams want to take a chance on.....Maybe the Titans reconsider and make an offer,who knows?

The Eagles had a chance to get him in the McNabb package deal at what some here call a reasonable offer but passed...If that does not tell you something about him,I don't know what will.

There have been many players throughout NFL history who have played outstanding football for the team that drafted them for years,then bombed totally therafter once traded or jumped to another team,Albert could be that type of guy.

 

[BritPat]

We will all find out if Albert is a stud or just a product of Jeff Fisher's defense and the way the Titans played or did he just have an off and injured year last year in Washington?.

Too many questions remain on this player that maybe just a few teams want to take a chance on.....Maybe the Titans reconsider and make an offer,who knows?

The Eagles had a chance to get him in the McNabb package deal at what some here call a reasonable offer but passed...If that does not tell you something about him,I don't know what will.

There have been many players throughout NFL history who have played outstanding football for the team that drafted them for years,then bombed totally therafter once traded or jumped to another team,Albert could be that type of guy.

Haynesworth actually played really well last year.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Haynesworth actually played really well last year.

I don't think Snyder feels that way,I think he feels a little screwed on the deal...but then again Snyder has been screwed more than a $1 whore in all the star FA players who most,so far are duds

 

[MoLewisrocks]

The guy is 350lbs. He might be able to play DE in certain situations and spot duty like Wilfork has. He might be fast for his size, but a 350lb guy is too slow to be an every or even most down DE in the 3-4.

The only way I see him going to a 3-4 team is as a NT. If the Redskins were even confident he would be great at that, they wouldn't have even considered trading him since they just gave him a huge roster bonus that they are unlikely to get back unless they give Haynesworth away for a later round pick by convincing the team acquiring him to pick up that tab.

On a side note, if the Redskins do trade him and do not get back the roster bonus, they would have paid Haynesworth about $27 million for one year's worth of service. And that year was disapointing to say the least.

If the Skins have paid the bonus, which was an option and not a roster bonus though that doensn't change the effect, it cannot be recouped. It is on their books and there it will stay. As an option bonus it is spread over their projected cap for the next 5 seasons (presuming the cap comes back, and it almost certainly will) although he already has the $21M in hand. Therefore if he were to be traded today (post April 1) the Skins would have paid him $32M for one year of service and they would be effectively paying him all but $9M in remaining salary to play for someone else between now and 2012. Not gonna happen...

If however the Skins have not paid the option bonus, and because it was "guaranteed" that means there is language in the contract that probably ups his 2010 salary by $21M or so in lieu of that April payment so they may not have - it will remain to be paid by whomever he plays for this season as salary. Since he is still under contract but only through 2012 absent the 2013 option, Haynesworth would cost his 2010 employer $33M for 3 years (2010-2012). Although they would get to pay and absorb $24M of it this year barring a restructure he likely wouldn't agree to because he doesn't have to, with just $9M remaining if he is retained for 2 more seasons. Also not gonna happen...

He and Asamougha essentially have no trade contracts unless some desperate HC/GM trying to save his job or make a splash convinces some equally desperate owner that breaking the bank for one player on defense is their only shot at winning this season and what comes after doesn't matter...