will the Pats spend?

[Wozzy]

The Patriots hate on their players every year as they have to make financial decisions based on past and projected future performance. After they signed Dugger to that horrible contract, they found a team that would help them get rid of him. They are haters.

They just kicked Diggs to the curb after he was their leading reciever, but they are haters.

They upgraded to Brown, they would have had to pay Diggs again so they didn’t kick him to the curb.

Applying your logic to the conversation, you are hating on Patriots because you don't think Boutte is good enough of a WR if he got more targets as @rkarp1 has proposed. But you flip the script on a poster if they single out another player.

I called Boutte good, I didn’t try to shine a piece of coal into a diamond and say he was great. I didn’t do what you do… say all our players are bad and overpaid.

They made the Super Bowl because their young QB played at an MVP level, had competent coaching, last place schedule, got use out of their draft picks, signed competent FA's, played well as a team and got some luck their way facing teams with multiple injuries including a starting QB in the playoffs.

They had Drake Maye in 2024. The coaching therefore the team building and team around Drake was much better in 2025z

Believe it or not, every team has a weakness and/or players who are underperforming/overpaid.

Most teams don’t win the most games in the NFL and their entitled fans tell us they did it despite having poor players. It’s one or the other, it can’t be both.

 

[Rob0729]

I heard the same nonsense about Dugger, how's he doing?

Again, you're saying this just because with no evidence other than "they were good with him and struggled without him". Okay...cool. There are other DT's in the NFL that were.... better.

The majority of the best and/or highest paid DT's are playing closer to 70% of the teams snaps at minimum. He was at 61% before his injury. His production pre injury was nowhere close to what he was paid for. In a month we will find out what NFL execs, coaches and scouts rank him after 2025.

In the meantime, PFF can't save you here. Not even in the top 25. But since this doesn't go in your favor, PFF is completely out of line. By the way, you are sorely mistaken if you think I'm trashing him as a player because I do agree with you that he's good. Among the best? No.

Highest-graded interior defenders from the 2025 NFL season: Cameron Heyward leads the list

Thomas Valentine breaks down the 20 highest-graded interior defenders from the 2025 NFL season, starting with the Steelers' Cameron Heyward.

www.pff.com

I already included this link in my prior post and yet you repeat the same statement.

"If a deal had gotten done, it would have been for a 2025 second-round pick, a 2026 fourth-round pick and (Patriots wide receiver) Kendrick Bourne," Breer said."

Some of you guys are really lazy.

Breer details Patriots' trade package, contract offer to Aiyuk

The latest reporting from Sports Illustrated's Albert Breer suggests the Patriots went all-out in their pursuit of Brandon Aiyuk.

www.nbcsportsboston.com

First, Williams is not a pure interior lineman. They played him all over. Inside, outside. And I don't give a crap about PFF's grading. Their grading is awful.

The numbers speak for themselves. Williams was the biggest difference maker on this team other than Maye and maybe Gonzalez. Comparing him to Dugger is silly.



When Williams went down, the Patriots pass rush win rate dropped 10%.

BTW, I can post articles too.

Milton Williams Demands Respect for Patriots Defense

New England Patriots defensive tackle Milton Williams is tired of hearing about the prowess of opposing team’s defenses. After all, Williams helped to anchor a

www.si.com

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/47758714/new-england-patriots-defense-highest-paid-milton-williams-super-bowl-champion

I am sorry, but if you watched Milton Williams last year and thought he was grossly overpaid and not even a top 20 interior and compare him to being as overhyped as Kyle Dugger, you clearly do not know football. Using PFF to "prove" your point doesn't help your cause.

And a second, fourth, and Bourne wouldn't be bad trade value.

 

[Thunderhead]

First, Williams is not a pure interior lineman. They played him all over. Inside, outside. And I don't give a crap about PFF's grading. Their grading is awful.

The numbers speak for themselves. Williams was the biggest difference maker on this team other than Maye and maybe Gonzalez. Comparing him to Dugger is silly.



When Williams went down, the Patriots pass rush win rate dropped 10%.

BTW, I can post articles too.

Milton Williams Demands Respect for Patriots Defense

New England Patriots defensive tackle Milton Williams is tired of hearing about the prowess of opposing team’s defenses. After all, Williams helped to anchor a

www.si.com

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/47758714/new-england-patriots-defense-highest-paid-milton-williams-super-bowl-champion

I am sorry, but if you watched Milton Williams last year and thought he was grossly overpaid and not even a top 20 interior and compare him to being as overhyped as Kyle Dugger, you clearly do not know football. Using PFF to "prove" your point doesn't help your cause.

And a second, fourth, and Bourne wouldn't be bad trade value.

Agreed. Milt is worth every penny and one of the 3 best players on the Patriots roster (maybe 4th if you want to put Brown 3rd).

 

[TommyD4207]

First, Williams is not a pure interior lineman. They played him all over. Inside, outside. And I don't give a crap about PFF's grading. Their grading is awful.

The numbers speak for themselves. Williams was the biggest difference maker on this team other than Maye and maybe Gonzalez. Comparing him to Dugger is silly.



When Williams went down, the Patriots pass rush win rate dropped 10%.

BTW, I can post articles too.

Milton Williams Demands Respect for Patriots Defense

New England Patriots defensive tackle Milton Williams is tired of hearing about the prowess of opposing team’s defenses. After all, Williams helped to anchor a

www.si.com

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/47758714/new-england-patriots-defense-highest-paid-milton-williams-super-bowl-champion

I am sorry, but if you watched Milton Williams last year and thought he was grossly overpaid and not even a top 20 interior and compare him to being as overhyped as Kyle Dugger, you clearly do not know football. Using PFF to "prove" your point doesn't help your cause.

And a second, fourth, and Bourne wouldn't be bad trade value.

Anyone who says Milton Williams isn't worth every damned penny of his contract simply doesn't watch line play.

 

[Rob0729]

BTW, the better comp to Milton Williams than Kyle Dugger would be Stephon Gilmore. Both Williams and Gilmore were considered overpaid at the time they signed their deal and both far exceeded expectation when they got to the Patriots. Both Williams and Gilmore were either misused or underused by their former teams and both made a near immediate impact when they got here.