will the Pats spend?

[Wozzy]

The Patriots hate on their players every year as they have to make financial decisions based on past and projected future performance. After they signed Dugger to that horrible contract, they found a team that would help them get rid of him. They are haters.

They just kicked Diggs to the curb after he was their leading reciever, but they are haters.

They upgraded to Brown, they would have had to pay Diggs again so they didn’t kick him to the curb.

Applying your logic to the conversation, you are hating on Patriots because you don't think Boutte is good enough of a WR if he got more targets as @rkarp1 has proposed. But you flip the script on a poster if they single out another player.

I called Boutte good, I didn’t try to shine a piece of coal into a diamond and say he was great. I didn’t do what you do… say all our players are bad and overpaid.

They made the Super Bowl because their young QB played at an MVP level, had competent coaching, last place schedule, got use out of their draft picks, signed competent FA's, played well as a team and got some luck their way facing teams with multiple injuries including a starting QB in the playoffs.

They had Drake Maye in 2024. The coaching therefore the team building and team around Drake was much better in 2025z

Believe it or not, every team has a weakness and/or players who are underperforming/overpaid.

Most teams don’t win the most games in the NFL and their entitled fans tell us they did it despite having poor players. It’s one or the other, it can’t be both.

 

[Rob0729]

I heard the same nonsense about Dugger, how's he doing?

Again, you're saying this just because with no evidence other than "they were good with him and struggled without him". Okay...cool. There are other DT's in the NFL that were.... better.

The majority of the best and/or highest paid DT's are playing closer to 70% of the teams snaps at minimum. He was at 61% before his injury. His production pre injury was nowhere close to what he was paid for. In a month we will find out what NFL execs, coaches and scouts rank him after 2025.

In the meantime, PFF can't save you here. Not even in the top 25. But since this doesn't go in your favor, PFF is completely out of line. By the way, you are sorely mistaken if you think I'm trashing him as a player because I do agree with you that he's good. Among the best? No.

Highest-graded interior defenders from the 2025 NFL season: Cameron Heyward leads the list

Thomas Valentine breaks down the 20 highest-graded interior defenders from the 2025 NFL season, starting with the Steelers' Cameron Heyward.

www.pff.com

I already included this link in my prior post and yet you repeat the same statement.

"If a deal had gotten done, it would have been for a 2025 second-round pick, a 2026 fourth-round pick and (Patriots wide receiver) Kendrick Bourne," Breer said."

Some of you guys are really lazy.

Breer details Patriots' trade package, contract offer to Aiyuk

The latest reporting from Sports Illustrated's Albert Breer suggests the Patriots went all-out in their pursuit of Brandon Aiyuk.

www.nbcsportsboston.com

First, Williams is not a pure interior lineman. They played him all over. Inside, outside. And I don't give a crap about PFF's grading. Their grading is awful.

The numbers speak for themselves. Williams was the biggest difference maker on this team other than Maye and maybe Gonzalez. Comparing him to Dugger is silly.



When Williams went down, the Patriots pass rush win rate dropped 10%.

BTW, I can post articles too.

Milton Williams Demands Respect for Patriots Defense

New England Patriots defensive tackle Milton Williams is tired of hearing about the prowess of opposing team’s defenses. After all, Williams helped to anchor a

www.si.com

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/47758714/new-england-patriots-defense-highest-paid-milton-williams-super-bowl-champion

I am sorry, but if you watched Milton Williams last year and thought he was grossly overpaid and not even a top 20 interior and compare him to being as overhyped as Kyle Dugger, you clearly do not know football. Using PFF to "prove" your point doesn't help your cause.

And a second, fourth, and Bourne wouldn't be bad trade value.

 

[Thunderhead]

First, Williams is not a pure interior lineman. They played him all over. Inside, outside. And I don't give a crap about PFF's grading. Their grading is awful.

The numbers speak for themselves. Williams was the biggest difference maker on this team other than Maye and maybe Gonzalez. Comparing him to Dugger is silly.



When Williams went down, the Patriots pass rush win rate dropped 10%.

BTW, I can post articles too.

Milton Williams Demands Respect for Patriots Defense

New England Patriots defensive tackle Milton Williams is tired of hearing about the prowess of opposing team’s defenses. After all, Williams helped to anchor a

www.si.com

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/47758714/new-england-patriots-defense-highest-paid-milton-williams-super-bowl-champion

I am sorry, but if you watched Milton Williams last year and thought he was grossly overpaid and not even a top 20 interior and compare him to being as overhyped as Kyle Dugger, you clearly do not know football. Using PFF to "prove" your point doesn't help your cause.

And a second, fourth, and Bourne wouldn't be bad trade value.

Agreed. Milt is worth every penny and one of the 3 best players on the Patriots roster (maybe 4th if you want to put Brown 3rd).

 

[TommyD4207]

First, Williams is not a pure interior lineman. They played him all over. Inside, outside. And I don't give a crap about PFF's grading. Their grading is awful.

The numbers speak for themselves. Williams was the biggest difference maker on this team other than Maye and maybe Gonzalez. Comparing him to Dugger is silly.



When Williams went down, the Patriots pass rush win rate dropped 10%.

BTW, I can post articles too.

Milton Williams Demands Respect for Patriots Defense

New England Patriots defensive tackle Milton Williams is tired of hearing about the prowess of opposing team’s defenses. After all, Williams helped to anchor a

www.si.com

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/47758714/new-england-patriots-defense-highest-paid-milton-williams-super-bowl-champion

I am sorry, but if you watched Milton Williams last year and thought he was grossly overpaid and not even a top 20 interior and compare him to being as overhyped as Kyle Dugger, you clearly do not know football. Using PFF to "prove" your point doesn't help your cause.

And a second, fourth, and Bourne wouldn't be bad trade value.

Anyone who says Milton Williams isn't worth every damned penny of his contract simply doesn't watch line play.

 

[Rob0729]

BTW, the better comp to Milton Williams than Kyle Dugger would be Stephon Gilmore. Both Williams and Gilmore were considered overpaid at the time they signed their deal and both far exceeded expectation when they got to the Patriots. Both Williams and Gilmore were either misused or underused by their former teams and both made a near immediate impact when they got here.

 

[Family]

When the NFLPA conducts a poll of franchises that are cheap and you rank near dead last repeatedly… maybe it’s time to look inward.

From Mike Reiss today "5. Gillette shines: The stadium is receiving some rave reviews as a World Cup host. A New York Times/Athletic poll of the 16 U.S. sites rated it fourth best.

But you look at illegal NFLPA polls as a source when it's been established long ago that the league hates the Patriots.

Maybe it's time you look inward at your agenda.

 

[bresna]

All this talk about Dugger's bad contract misses context. Yes, it was a bad contract, but it's not like there were a lot of choices out there to replace him. Of the 38 S/SS players available in the 2024 offseason, only 12 signed for more than a year and most of them who were signed to longer terms got more money than Dugger. To add even more context, quite a few of them were signed before him, putting pressure on the Patriots to lock up their starting SS. People can cherry pick bad contracts all they want but ignoring context is just lazy.

The fact that Dugger regressed makes his contract look even worse. Hindsight is great that way.

Edited to add:
Dugger was a top performer on that crappy 2023/24 Patriots defense, even though it might not have looked that way. He was third in tackles at 109 (behind Bentley at 114 & Tavai at 110), tied for first in interceptions (with Tavai & Peppers also having 2), tied for fourth in QB hits with 5 & was fourth on the team for tackles resulting in a loss of yards (at 5), which is especially difficult from the safety position.

I was actually glad they locked him up at the time. Then I saw the terms and I was a lot less happy.

 

[Wozzy]

From Mike Reiss today "5. Gillette shines: The stadium is receiving some rave reviews as a World Cup host. A New York Times/Athletic poll of the 16 U.S. sites rated it fourth best.

But you look at illegal NFLPA polls as a source when it's been established long ago that the league hates the Patriots.

Maybe it's time you look inward at your agenda.

The stadium isn’t player facilities or amenities.

What agenda? The NFLPA voted, I had nothing to do with it.

But Kraft Enterprises appreciates your hard work… good bot.

 

[Wozzy]

Anyone who says Milton Williams isn't worth every damned penny of his contract simply doesn't watch line play.

We’re back to peak 2nd dynasty, where all our players besides the QB suck and we have no talent.. yet somehow still manage to win the most games in the NFL.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

From Mike Reiss today "5. Gillette shines: The stadium is receiving some rave reviews as a World Cup host. A New York Times/Athletic poll of the 16 U.S. sites rated it fourth best.

But you look at illegal NFLPA polls as a source when it's been established long ago that the league hates the Patriots.

Maybe it's time you look inward at your agenda.

For the record this is a poll of The Athletic's writers. That said, they do have the JEST-stained MetLife worst.

 

[Family]

For the record this is a poll of The Athletic's writers. That said, they do have the JEST-stained MetLife worst.

By repeating this as proof that he is cheap is ridiculous.

Kraft privately funded Gillette. It cost a lot to do. Few teams do.

He was the first to purchase a team plane.

Kraft is an old man. He probably went out and bought state of the art stuff 30 years ago, and now it's outdated. Thank you for pointing that out out to him. Kraft corrected it quickly.

Yes Kraft has been a jerk with the documentaries and other things related to Bill. And it has worked both ways.

But since when is winning more than anyone else, while keeping expenses reasonable, a bad thing in this country?

What' exactly is the agenda for promoting this endlessly as proof of the entire picture? Not directed at ctpatsfan77

 

[Wozzy]

By repeating this as proof that he is cheap is ridiculous.

Kraft privately funded Gillette. It cost a lot to do. Few teams do.

He was the first to purchase a team plane.

Kraft is an old man. He probably went out and bought state of the art stuff 30 years ago, and now it's outdated. Thank you for pointing that out out to him. Kraft corrected it quickly.

Yes Kraft has been a jerk with the documentaries and other things related to Bill. And it has worked both ways.

But since when is winning more than anyone else, while keeping expenses reasonable, a bad thing in this country?

What' exactly is the agenda for promoting this endlessly as proof of the entire picture? Not directed at ctpatsfan77

The only person you should be mad at is the original poster who created the thread, he keeps bringing up "cheap."

If he didn't keep bringing it to the forefront, nobody would mention it except in passing when a favorite player leaves.

The Krafts are great team owners, but nobody is perfect either.

If owners qualify for the HOF, then Bob should be there already.

 

[Family]

The only person you should be mad at is the original poster who created the thread, he keeps bringing up "cheap."

If he didn't keep bringing it to the forefront, nobody would mention it except in passing when a favorite player leaves.

The Krafts are great team owners, but nobody is perfect either.

If owners qualify for the HOF, then Bob should be there already.

I haven't followed the interactions, but the original poster seems to lay "cheap" blame on Bill, which is also incorrect. Ownership and management ran the team correctly. The Patriots of 20 years was a case study on how to run an organization.

If I quote Cassius Marsh, Danny Amendola, or Assante Samuel concerning BB, would you give that credibility?

So why keep promoting the Kraft is cheap message from a few random sources, when there is evidence to the contrary?

People hate the Patriots because they dominated the league for 2 decades.

That's the only truth here.

 

[rkarp1]

The only person you should be mad at is the original poster who created the thread, he keeps bringing up "cheap."

If he didn't keep bringing it to the forefront, nobody would mention it except in passing when a favorite player leaves.

The Krafts are great team owners, but nobody is perfect either.

If owners qualify for the HOF, then Bob should be there already.

"they served bolgna sandwiches in 1996!!"
#INEVERSAIDTHAT

 

[TommyD4207]

If I quote Cassius Marsh, Danny Amendola, or Assante Samuel concerning BB, would you give that credibility?

You'd be better off asking Grok or PFF.
You could not have picked 3 worse sources, all were overpaid dramatically, and left when they got their jobs taken, and didn't get their raises. Literally all 3.

 

[Family]

You'd be better off asking Grok or PFF.
You could not have picked 3 worse sources, all were overpaid dramatically, and left when they got their jobs taken, and didn't get their raises. Literally all 3.

You better use Grok to fact check.

Amendola made three times what he made on the Patriots after he left. With 2 different teams over 3 years.
Cassius Marsh issue was not money. Just Bill.

 

[bresna]

You better use Grok to fact check.

Amendola made three times what he made on the Patriots after he left. With 2 different teams over 3 years.
Cassius Marsh issue was not money. Just Bill.

Do you think we're incapable of doing math?? In 5 seasons with the Patriots, Amendola made $17.887 Million while averaging a paltry 476.6 yards. He made a total of $17.158 Million with 3 other teams after he left. The first one, the Dolphins, cut him after 1 lackluster season where they stupidly paid him $6 Million for a whole 575 yards.

Amendola complained about being underpaid when in reality, he was paid almost exactly what he was worth. His main contribution, which is why his complaints have some credibility, is that he came through in the postseason, particularly in 2017, his last year with the team - which I have to add, happened when he was already 32.

He is not a great player to use as an example of the Patriots being cheap.

 

[Family]

Do you think we're incapable of doing math??

Evidently yes.

What difference did it make what Amendola made his first year here?

He was making less than 2 million his last two years and made 6 when he left.

 

[Family]

He is not a great player to use as an example of the Patriots being cheap.

And if you read the thread, you will know my argument is the Patriots were not cheap.

 

[bresna]

Evidently yes.

What difference did it make what Amendola made his first year here?

He was making less than 2 million his last two years and made 6 when he left.

First off, your post said nothing about his annual salary. You said, "Amendola made three times what he made on the Patriots after he left. With 2 different teams over 3 years", which is false. If you had said something along the lines of "Amendola made 3 times what he made in his last two seasons after he left the Patriots", then I wouldn't have posted what I did.

Which doesn't matter anyway. Amendola complains about his last two seasons here when in reality, he agreed to renegotiate his contract twice to avoid being a cap casualty. He was under-performing throughout his contract and he knew that or he wouldn't have settled for the lesser amounts as he did. In fact, his crazy contract with the Dolphins was probably solely because of his insane numbers in the 2017 playoffs. The Dolphins signed a 33 year old WR to a two year $12 Million contract. I was very glad that the Patriots didn't do that. And oh surprise, he underperformed and was cut after one year.

Why doesn't he complain about the Dolphins?