Why the hell did we not try harder to keep TB12?

[Triumph]

You have an odd description of the word 'fails.' Failure is having a poor record and not making the playoffs, like Bob and Bill's team without Brady this year.

Meanwhile, Brady is about to play in his 14th conference championship game, with a coaching staff that has been described as imbeciles on this board many times.

It'll be funny to see where the goalposts move to if TB and TB continue to win.

Failure is not winning the Super Bowl.

T shirts and hats are not the standard no matter how hard you try to spin it. Brady is the GOAT for 6 reasons and just reaching the post season isn't on the list.

You can find your silver linings and cherry pick stats like the Bengals, but the job won't be finished unless Brady closes the deal for 7.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

I think Wozzy is woozy because he keep writing nonsense!

 

[Triumph]

"If Brady fails"..? He threw 4,600 yards with 40 TDs against 12 INT's. He is going to the NFCCG. He has more playoff wins without Bill than Bill does without him.

He has already succeeded.

No he has not.

Winning the world championship is all that matters unless you believe that 32 teams spend millions of dollars and devote their lives to be good enough.

 

[skinnydog]

No he has not.

Winning the world championship is all that matters unless you believe that 32 teams spend millions of dollars and devote their lives to be good enough.

So your only measure for player success is winning SBs?

 

[Pape]

Having Brady on the team wouldn’t hinder any reset or rebuild. His salary is not even close to being one of the top QB salaries. The cap reset talk from Bill was an excuse. He built the roster and the simple fact is that we had poor drafts for a number of years. We are a team with a severe lack of talent and that’s on Bill.

It’s a real shame Brady is not finishing his career here. With all the success and money he made for Bill and Kraft for him to be jerked around with year to year incentive laden deals is BS. He should have got the multi year deal 2 years ago. How was the alternative better? Bill’s plan of 1930’s football by not implementing the forward pass didn’t go to well this year. The simple fact is that Bill wanted out on Brady because he didn’t believe he’d be playing this well at this age. He was wrong. Bill and Kraft both have egg on their face right now.

1. Its not about Bradys salary. Its about the salaries of all the guys BB surrounded TB12 with.
2. Yes, it is a shame Brady didn't call it a career in a New England jersey.

What we don't know is why Brady left.

• Was it money?
• Was it the length of contract? ( length of contract is my personal theory)
• Was it personnel?
• Was he no longer having fun ( aka the Lane Johnson argument) ?
• Was it BB shutting Alex Guerrero out of Foxboro?
• Was it Giselle?

All we do know is he did leave. And that Brady predetermined his exit strategy as early as 2018. The "No Tag" clause in his 2019 deal should have raised a very large Red Flag around here... I missed it, or more accurately, the significance of it at the time, afterall, he was always such a team first guy...

 

[Brotherblues]

It is very simple.
BB and Kraft misjudged the situation.
They are human and do not get every decision right.

Huh? What situation did they misjudge?

 

[Wozzy]

I think Wozzy is woozy because he keep writing nonsense!

Refute what BB and I said, otherwise you’re just flapping your gums.

Coincidentally I said they had kicked the salary cap can down the road in the offseason before a single game had been played or Bill confirmed it. So “he’s making excuses” is garbage.

 

[skinnydog]

Just like BB told you... they went all in the last 5-6 years of Brady's tenure. They pushed salary cap down the road by borrowing from their most expensive players to sign others, they signed vets instead of relying on cheaper rookies, they placed rookies on the IR with phantom injuries or traded out of drafts entirely for future picks. This is why from 2014-2019 they went to four Super Bowls and won three, they could have won more if not for injury or AB and Bennett being crappy humans. After that all their best players got old or priced themselves out of New England.

Fans and many media members are completely clueless about the cap and how it operates. No team hits on all their draft picks, were the Chiefs ruined because they wasted second round picks on Tanoh Kpassagnon or Breeland Speaks and they turned out to be stiffs? No, you don't rely or build entirely with rookies. The best GM's on average hit on about 30% of their draft picks, the average NFL career lasts three years... the draft is a crapshoot.

They borrowed to win, now the bill is due. That's why they didn't push to retain Brady, it's why they spent a combined one million dollars guaranteed on Cam and Stidham. Brady with a terrible team around him is not a competitive team. What Brady is doing now with an All Star team in Tampa isn't what he would have done in New England... don't be ridiculous.

BB doesn't say things for effect, he told you exactly what happened. Just because a bunch of media clowns like Curran and negative Nancy fan types can't understand or refuse to learn doesn't make it untrue.

Fantasy. The Pats never went all in. They’ve always patted themselves on the back for a disciplined approach to managing the cap. All in would have been doing all they could to trade for Diggs for example. When in the last 5 years have they gone all to bring in legit WRs or TEs for Brady to throw to? And AB is a poor example because he became an emergency option only because all of the cheap WRs the signed didn’t work out.

 

[Kdo5]

He was fed up carrying the entire load for Josh McDaniels. No good players after Gronk left and Edelman's knee. NKeal Harry and Sanu bust. Basically zero talent development on offense with McDaniels. Brady chose to go.

He left primarily because Bill was a pain in the ass.

 

[skinnydog]

We have a lot of good young players and another group of double digit picks this upcoming draft... the draft alone is never the only way to build a team. Next season this will be one of the youngest rosters in the NFL. Stop being a drama queen.

There is not a single front seven player on defense, young old or otherwise, that is a pro bowl caliber player. Not one in the WR or TE room either. Pats have a lot of average young players.

 

[luuked]

Fantasy. The Pats never went all in. They’ve always patted themselves on the back for a disciplined approach to managing the cap. All in would have been doing all they could to trade for Diggs for example. When in the last 5 years have they gone all to bring in legit WRs or TEs for Brady to throw to? And AB is a poor example because he became an emergency option only because all of the cheap WRs the signed didn’t work out.

They essentially max out the salary cap pretty much every year until 2020. Not sure how you can be anymore all in.

They had a consistent top 5 offense for the entire last decade and made the SB 3 times (and won it twice) in those 5 years you mention. So exactly what value would have even additional pieces on offense gotten them ?

Can't be any more all in than that unless you want them to end up like the Saints who are screwed for 2-3 years now (with nothing to show for it) while we are in prime position to built up after one year.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

Brady wouldn't be having the same kind of production here that he's having in Tampa, that is part of the reason he moved on. This team was basically at a point of having to do a rebuild

Brady would have wasted away his last 2-3 years here, putting the team right on the verge of playoff contention, but didn't have enough weapons or a complete enough team to compete for titles

The divorce had to happen, its still painful but I don't think either side is at fault. Belichick had to move on from TB to start the rebuild and focus on the future, Brady had to move on to be given a legitimate chance to compete for another title before he retires

I don't have any ill will towards either one of them, they're both NFL legends that will be talked about 100+ years from now, and we were all there to watch it happen

 

[amfootball]

They essentially max out the salary cap pretty much every year until 2020. Not sure how you can be anymore all in.

They had a consistent top 5 offense for the entire last decade and made the SB 3 times (and won it twice) in those 5 years you mention. So exactly what value would have even additional pieces on offense gotten them ?

Can't be any more all in than that unless you want them to end up like the Saints who are screwed for 2-3 years now (with nothing to show for it) while we are in prime position to built up after one year.

Spending to the cap is not going all in.

 

[Wozzy]

Fantasy. The Pats never went all in. They’ve always patted themselves on the back for a disciplined approach to managing the cap. All in would have been doing all they could to trade for Diggs for example. When in the last 5 years have they gone all to bring in legit WRs or TEs for Brady to throw to? And AB is a poor example because he became an emergency option only because all of the cheap WRs the signed didn’t work out.

The trade for Diggs just happened this year, they traded for Cooks years ago when they were going all in. Funny how we have a lot of people saying this didn’t happen then let their total ignorance about the cap slip.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Brady wouldn't be having the same kind of production here that he's having in Tampa, that is part of the reason he moved on. This team was basically at a point of having to do a rebuild

Brady would have wasted away his last 2-3 years here, putting the team right on the verge of playoff contention, but didn't have enough weapons or a complete enough team to compete for titles

The divorce had to happen, its still painful but I don't think either side is at fault. Belichick had to move on from TB to start the rebuild and focus on the future, Brady had to move on to be given a legitimate chance to compete for another title before he retires

I don't have any ill will towards either one of them, they're both NFL legends that will be talked about 100+ years from now, and we were all there to watch it happen

Yup. Brady here would have had a 25 TD season and we still wouldn't have made the playoffs.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

Yup. Brady here would have had a 25 TD season and we still wouldn't have made the playoffs.

Brady might have been good for a few more wins in regular season and possibly a playoff birth, but we would have had the bag beaten out of us by pretty much any playoff contender this year.. just like last year against the Titans, because the offense is so easy to defend against from a matchup perspective.. and that is all the playoffs really are is matchups

 

[skinnydog]

They essentially max out the salary cap pretty much every year until 2020. Not sure how you can be anymore all in.

They had a consistent top 5 offense for the entire last decade and made the SB 3 times (and won it twice) in those 5 years you mention. So exactly what value would have even additional pieces on offense gotten them ?

Can't be any more all in than that unless you want them to end up like the Saints who are screwed for 2-3 years now (with nothing to show for it) while we are in prime position to built up after one year.

Most teams excluding only a few are right around the cap. In terms of yearly cash spent on payroll, the Pats have generally been in the lower half of the league. the consistent top 5 offenses have been because of Brady, not because the went all in to give him weapons.
Saints are screwed, but there’s no reason they can’t clear thing up in one year. And Brees is no Brady.

 

[1960Pats]

Bill bungled the draft and personnel moves the last few years. Bill wouldn't offer Brady a multiyear deal. Brady didn't want to play with a crap roster and no commitment. Bill basically shoved him out the door and had no plan in place for his successor.

Since there was no replacement for Brady it shows that Bill was overconfident about Brady coming back on a lowball offer. There can't be any other explanation.

 

[1960Pats]

I just can't even believe someone believes this nonsense.

And it still doesn't address the question of why they didn't try to keep Brady here. It sounds like he's saying that they didn't want him back because of the cost.

 

[skinnydog]

Brady might have been good for a few more wins in regular season and possibly a playoff birth, but we would have had the bag beaten out of us by pretty much any playoff contender this year.. just like last year against the Titans, because the offense is so easy to defend against from a matchup perspective.. and that is all the playoffs really are is matchups

Pats needed to go get someone like Diggs and renegotiate Thuney, Cannon, Hightower, and sing Mccourty to a longer contract to reduce the cap hit now instead of the contract that resulted in a 10 mil cap hit this year. I like Tunney a lot but the 15 mil cap hit from the franchise tag was a bad cap move. Tunney and Mason and Cannon took up a lot of cap space going into this year. Brady with a legit WR and TE might be fighting for a trip to the SB in NE this weekend instead of Brady doing that from Tampa.