Why the hell did we not try harder to keep TB12?

[The Brandon Five]

I am convinced that Tom was gone no matter what. After SB 52 the relationship with BB was irreperably harmed. They won one more together, but after last season Tom was done.

Gronk's one-year retirement was all part of the plan.

 

[Pape]

He was fed up carrying the entire load for Josh McDaniels. No good players after Gronk left and Edelman's knee. NKeal Harry and Sanu bust. Basically zero talent development on offense with McDaniels. Brady chose to go.

Stop with the anti-McDaniels diatribe... its tiresome, and it is NOT the reason Brady left.

 

[Wozzy]

Just like BB told you... they went all in the last 5-6 years of Brady's tenure. They pushed salary cap down the road by borrowing from their most expensive players to sign others, they signed vets instead of relying on cheaper rookies, they placed rookies on the IR with phantom injuries or traded out of drafts entirely for future picks. This is why from 2014-2019 they went to four Super Bowls and won three, they could have won more if not for injury or AB and Bennett being crappy humans. After that all their best players got old or priced themselves out of New England.

Fans and many media members are completely clueless about the cap and how it operates. No team hits on all their draft picks, were the Chiefs ruined because they wasted second round picks on Tanoh Kpassagnon or Breeland Speaks and they turned out to be stiffs? No, you don't rely or build entirely with rookies. The best GM's on average hit on about 30% of their draft picks, the average NFL career lasts three years... the draft is a crapshoot.

They borrowed to win, now the bill is due. That's why they didn't push to retain Brady, it's why they spent a combined one million dollars guaranteed on Cam and Stidham. Brady with a terrible team around him is not a competitive team. What Brady is doing now with an All Star team in Tampa isn't what he would have done in New England... don't be ridiculous.

BB doesn't say things for effect, he told you exactly what happened. Just because a bunch of media clowns like Curran and negative Nancy fan types can't understand or refuse to learn doesn't make it untrue.

 

[PatsWSB47]

Just like BB told you... they went all in the last 5-6 years of Brady's tenure. They pushed salary cap down the road by borrowing from their most expensive players to sign others, they signed vets instead of relying on cheaper rookies, they placed rookies on the IR with phantom injuries or traded out of the drafts entirely for future picks. This is why from 2014-2019 they went to four Super Bowls and won three, they could have won more if not for injury or AB and Bennett being crappy humans. After that all their best players got old or priced themselves out of New England.

Fans and many media members are completely clueless about the cap and how it operates. No team hits on all their draft picks, were the Chiefs ruined because they wasted a second round picks on Tanoh Kpassagnon or Breeland Speaks and they turned out to be stiffs? No, you don't rely or build entirely with rookies. The best GM's on average hit on about 30% of their draft picks, the average NFL career lasts three years... the draft is a crapshoot.

They borrowed to win, now the bill is due. That's why they didn't push to retain Brady, it's why they spent a combined one million dollars guaranteed on Cam and Stidham. Brady with a terrible team around him is not a competitive team. What Brady is doing now with an All Star team in Tampa isn't what he would have done in New England... don't be ridiculous.

BB doesn't say things for effect, he told you exactly what happened. Just because a bunch of media clowns like Curran and negative Nancy fan types can't understand or refuse to learn doesn't make it untrue.

They didn't work their way into cap hell because of Tom Brady. In fact I think Brady helped them avoid that for a long time.

 

[203Pat]

Just like BB told you... they went all in the last 5-6 years of Brady's tenure. They pushed salary cap down the road by borrowing from their most expensive players to sign others, they signed vets instead of relying on cheaper rookies, they placed rookies on the IR with phantom injuries or traded out of the drafts entirely for future picks. This is why from 2014-2019 they went to four Super Bowls and won three, they could have won more if not for injury or AB and Bennett being crappy humans. After that all their best players got old or priced themselves out of New England.

Fans and many media members are completely clueless about the cap and how it operates. No team hits on all their draft picks, were the Chiefs ruined because they wasted a second round picks on Tanoh Kpassagnon or Breeland Speaks and they turned out to be stiffs? No, you don't rely or build entirely with rookies. The best GM's on average hit on about 30% of their draft picks, the average NFL career lasts three years... the draft is a crapshoot.

They borrowed to win, now the bill is due. That's why they didn't push to retain Brady, it's why they spent a combined one million dollars guaranteed on Cam and Stidham. Brady with a terrible team around him is not a competitive team. What Brady is doing now with an All Star team in Tampa isn't what he would have done in New England... don't be ridiculous.

BB doesn't say things for effect, he told you exactly what happened. Just because a bunch of media clowns like Curran and negative Nancy fan types can't understand or refuse to learn doesn't make it untrue.

I just can't even believe someone believes this nonsense.

 

[Wozzy]

They didn't work their way into cap hell because of Tom Brady. In fact I think Brady helped them avoid that for a long time.

Borrowing from future cap is not sustainable forever, you need to learn the difference between salary and salary cap.

 

[Wozzy]

I just can't even believe someone believes this nonsense.

Just because you don't understand something, doesn't make it untrue.

 

[jmt57]

I am so glad to see this thread.

I just can't believe it has taken this long for anybody to bring up the subject on this forum.

 

[XLIX]

Amazing how bitter someone could be that they think that Brady, at 43, on a new team, with not much practice time or offseason work, a buffoon for a coach, threw for 4600 yards and 40 TDs en route to a conference championship game appearance isn't a success.

The funniest part of the above is these are the same people who tell us 7-9 isn't so bad, and they come up with endless excuses for why Belichick has only 1 playoff win in 9 years without Brady...

 

[borg]

I just dont see how you can expect this year to have been any better than 2019.

Please don't let common sense disrupt the Bradyites' episodes of hysteria and finger pointing.
The New England Journal of Medicine has published preliminary reports stating the "Tom Good-Bill Evil" mental disorder is a treatable condition as long as patients block all information disseminating from the Tampa region.

 

[203Pat]

Just because you don't understand something, doesn't make it untrue.

Just because Bill says something doesn't make it true.

 

[203Pat]

The funniest part of the above is these are the same people who tell us 7-9 isn't so bad, and they come up with endless excuses for why Belichick has only 1 playoff win in 9 years without Brady...

I love the "Well Brady wouldn't have done that here in 2020. He has an all star roster down there!" seemingly ignoring the fact that this crappy roster was put together by Bill who they refuse to put any blame on.

 

[Wozzy]

The funniest part of the above is these are the same people who tell us 7-9 isn't so bad, and they come up with endless excuses for why Belichick has only 1 playoff win in 9 years without Brady...

Who said 7-9 isn't so bad? Perhaps one losing season in over twenty years so they can reset the cap and start over isn't so bad.

BB's record without Brady is a silly take. Bill Belichick has a losing record in Cleveland without Vinny Testeverde...

It takes 2-3 years to completely rebuild a franchise. That's why the "BB's record without Brady" argument is meritless and dumb... BB rebuilt two franchises. It takes time.

Jimmy Johnson - season one: 1-15 - season two: 7-9
Bill Walsh - season one: 2-14 - season two: 6-10
Chuck Noll - season one: 1-13 - season two: 5-9 - season three: 6-8
Tom Landry - season one: 0-11-1 - season two: 4-9-1 - season three: 5-8-1
Bill Parcells - season one: 3-12-1 - season two: 9-7

Did these guys suck ^, were they the result of a single player or QB?

It's a TEAM sport and teams take time, not always, but most of the time... especially total rebuilds.

 

[Boomer B]

Having Brady on the team wouldn’t hinder any reset or rebuild. His salary is not even close to being one of the top QB salaries. The cap reset talk from Bill was an excuse. He built the roster and the simple fact is that we had poor drafts for a number of years. We are a team with a severe lack of talent and that’s on Bill.

It’s a real shame Brady is not finishing his career here. With all the success and money he made for Bill and Kraft for him to be jerked around with year to year incentive laden deals is BS. He should have got the multi year deal 2 years ago. How was the alternative better? Bill’s plan of 1930’s football by not implementing the forward pass didn’t go to well this year. The simple fact is that Bill wanted out on Brady because he didn’t believe he’d be playing this well at this age. He was wrong. Bill and Kraft both have egg on their face right now.

 

[Wozzy]

Just because Bill says something doesn't make it true.

It's true because of math... math is pretty accurate.

 

[Wozzy]

I love the "Well Brady wouldn't have done that here in 2020. He has an all star roster down there!" seemingly ignoring the fact that this crappy roster was put together by Bill who they refuse to put any blame on.

Like I said above, the large majority of contributors from 2014-2019 got old or priced themselves out of NE.

 

[203Pat]

It's true because of math.

It's because of poor drafting and some questionable personnel moves. He didn't sell out he just stopped drafting quality players.

 

[203Pat]

Like I said above, the large majority of contributors from 2014-2019 got old or priced themselves out of NE.

And in most cases he couldn't draft anyone to take their place.

 

[Wozzy]

Having Brady on the team wouldn’t hinder any reset or rebuild. His salary is not even close to being one of the top QB salaries. The cap reset talk from Bill was an excuse. He built the roster and the simple fact is that we had poor drafts for a number of years. We are a team with a severe lack of talent and that’s on Bill.

It’s a real shame Brady is not finishing his career here. With all the success and money he made for Bill and Kraft for him to be jerked around with year to year incentive laden deals is BS. He should have got the multi year deal 2 years ago. How was the alternative better? Bill’s plan of 1930’s football by not implementing the forward pass didn’t go to well this year. The simple fact is that Bill wanted out on Brady because he didn’t believe he’d be playing this well at this age. He was wrong. Bill and Kraft both have egg on their face right now.

There's a difference between "salary" and "salary cap," this is where your confusion is coming from. The Pats are paying Brady cap dollars in 2020 for him to play elsewhere. There's no tax shelter to hide away owed cap. The Broncos tried to circumvent the cap at the end of Elway's run and got penalized for it.

 

[Wozzy]

It's because of poor drafting and some questionable personnel moves. He didn't sell out he just stopped drafting quality players.

We have a lot of good young players and another group of double digit picks this upcoming draft... the draft alone is never the only way to build a team. Next season this will be one of the youngest rosters in the NFL. Stop being a drama queen.