Why Len....why?

[DaBruinz]

Why is the "Tuck rule" being on the books your defense when a team brings it up about how the Patriots had the refs in their back pocket when they played the Raiders, but when the "Ty Law rule" which was on the books also but wasn't being enforced, it is considered detrimental to the rules committee, Polian and the Colts because the refs were inept at calling the game the way it was called during the regular season instead of "just letting them play."

It's hard to take some fans serious for their football insight when the double standards are given a priority due to the fact that their team was the one getting the call.

I found myself in this same predicament while arguing a point, so I looked up the facts. I found out that I was wrong and stated so.

Its hard to take uneducated Colts fans seriously when they insist on making things up to try and defend their team's lack of success in the play-offs.

1) It was NOT the "Ty Law Rule". Only people who hate the Patriots and who didn't actually read any of the goings on that happened at the league meetings prior to the 2004 season call it that.

2) The 99% of the examples used in the presentation were showing that of Miami Corners Sam Madison and Patrick Surtain. I believe that there was only 1 example shown of the Patriots and it wasn't from the Play-off game.

3) In the 2003 AFCCG, it was Roman Phifer, a LB who was the one holding Pollard on 2 plays. All the interceptions Manning threw in that game had NOTHING to do with illegal contact or pass interference.

So, you can continue to show you know nothing about the situation or you can stop being ignorant.

Also, your inept attempt to tie the situation between the Tuck Rule (a rule that was called properly) to the Point of Emphasis ( where a GM and a Coach were WHINING to the competition committee) is laughable.

 

[DaBruinz]

Did you see the Seahawks and Cardinals game? Manning is the coordinator, and a mighty good one at that.

Yes, Manning is such a great coordinator that the only way he has beaten the Patriots recently was when they had 6 starters not playing.

The fact is that Manning IS NOT a great coordinator. He just thinks he is.

 

[DaBruinz]

Oh please!!! I'm getting all weepy about the Patriots.

The Colts are fun to watch, 38-10 the last three years and are not thugs.

The fact that Manning is given more responsibility than the beloved 4th round hall of famer who wouldn't have made the team if Damon Huard didn't get hurt, or Michael Bishop passed on a cellophane bag really sticks in the craw doesn't it ?

Dropping 40 in your house turned this board into cricket central until you guys got hot and crushed the Saints Bills 2X Jets 2X and the warm weather Bucs. I'm not sure anyone can beat you guys after cutting through that tough schedule.

Face it, 3-6 against teams over 500. With that record why shouldn't Brady be MVP?

Ahh yes. The troll with the Patriots Player moniker ways in.

1) Brady was a 6th round pick and he made this team fairly. Huard wasn't hurt. Guess you need to make up some more lies.

2) There were plenty of people on this board after the Pats lost to the Colts. But I suggest you make sure you realize that the Patriots were playing without a good number of starters.

3) The temperature for the Bucs game was in the mid 40's. But again, you've shown you can't handle facts.

4) And just how tough was the Colts schedule? Oh, that's right. It was one of the weakest in NFL History. But far be it from you to acknowledge that.

 

[DaBruinz]

"Isn't football supposed to be an outdoor sport?"

Not necessarily...
Detroit Lions, Minnesota Vikings, New Orleans Saints, Seattle Seahawks, Indianapolis Colts and Houston Texans all have domes or a retractable roof. That is a significant number of teams that disagree with your question.

And the Vikings are talking about moving back to an Open Air Stadium. The Seahawks and Houston domes still allow for the temperature.

I don't call 6 teams being a "SIGNIFICANT" number. Especially when 1 team is looking at getting rid of their dome. OH, and The Saints aren't long for their dome either.

 

[Pats Fanatic]

Originally Posted by shmessy
Peyton Manning = Barry Bonds

Tom Brady = Bill Russell

'Nuff ced.


Originally Posted by oldrover
Your analogy would make a lot more sense if you equated Peyton with Wilt Chamberlain.

Wrong. Wilt won a Championship.

To use basketball terms it would be Elgin Baylor.

This thread is a laugh riot. With the Colt troll stating over and over again the same crap. No matter how much evidence we bring up doesn't matter to them, it's still the same old only if the ref did this or that instead of they didn't play well enough to win. Stop being winners and just say that they lost but will be back with better play what ever instead of that junk.

 

[FSUPatsFan]

Hey Everyone! I have been browsing this site since I first found it at the beginning of this football season. I am a diehard pats fan, but currently attend school in Florida so its hard to find people to talk to about the pats...I've really enjoyed reading the debates on manning vs. brady and decided that I have to enter this debate.

Colts fans keep saying that Manning has NEVER had a defense to support him the way Brady has and that the only reason Brady has 3 Rings in because of his defense. That may be true to some extent, but I think to be fair we have to compare the 2001 Patriots season vs. the 2002 Colts season. Lets start with what Colts fans most complain about, defense.

DEFENSE:
In 2001 the Pats had the 6th rated defense in the league (3rd in AFC) in terms of points allowed, and much lower rated in terms of yards allowed (I think 19?..not sure)....The 2002 Colts were the 7th rated defence in the league (3rd in the AFC) in terms of points allowed and 8th in the league in terms of yards allowed. In my opinion, these two defenses are very comparable.

Offense:
Sure, its easy to say that Peyton Manning's offense didn't truly take off until the 2003 season, but he still had a very above average offense in 2002. Colts Fans even say that the Colts already had a great offense before Dungy got there. Well, Dungy got there in 2002. In 2002, Marvin Harrison went out of his mind (even for him). That year, he had 143 receptions for over 1700 yards. Edge was still young, but still ran for close to 1000 yards in 14 games. Thats very comparable to what the immortal Antoine Smith did in 2001. Also, in 2001 the Pats #1 reciever was Troy Brown, who did have a Pro Bowl year (Only after someone got hurth, though), but had no where near the numbers of Harrison.

Overall Outcome:
We all know what happened to the Pats as a team in 2001. Brady goes 11-3 as a starter and the Pats go one to Win their first superbowl. And as Ricky Proehl predicted before Superbowl XXXVI "A dynasty was born." The Colts, however, did not share the same fate. They managed to finish 10-6 and entered the playoffs as a WILD CARD team. The Titans won the division that year. So now you might be wondering how the colts did in the playoffs (Most of you probably already know). Well, the Colts lost to the J-E-T-S JETS! JETS! JETS! to the score of 41-0. Wow, I wonder who Colts fans blame on the loss, the defense which gave up that many points, or the offense which couldn't even manage a field goal. But, since Peyton is God, I guess the defense didn't get enough safeties or return enough interceptions for touchdowns.

Overall Analysis Manning vs. Brady

Statistically, Manning is a great quarterback. There is no denying that. What he can do with a ball in his hands amazes me sometimes. 2003 was the year that Manning became the Immortal God that he is in Indy. Before that year he was always good statistically, but no where near where he is today. He is very comparable statisticallly to how Brady has been his whole career. 2003 was Manning's 6th year as a starter. Next year, will be Brady's 6th. I like to compare quarterback at who they are stages into their career. So here's a comparison of the two quarterback through their first 5 years as a starter.

Manning: 0 playoff wins, 0 MVP awards, 0 anything...pretty nice stats tho for you colts fans, but not great.

Brady: 9-0 in the playoffs, 2 SB MVP Awards, Sportsman of the year, 3 SB rings, etc..etc..oh, and for you colts fans..he too had some pretty nice stats comparable to Mannings first five years.

Ok, I think that I made a pretty good argument. If I did not, I would not mind hearing some feedback. I appreciate all of you who took the time to reading my first (and very long) post.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Manning: 0 playoff wins, 0 MVP awards, 0 anything...pretty nice stats tho for you colts fans, but not great.

Brady: 9-0 in the playoffs, 2 SB MVP Awards, Sportsman of the year, 3 SB rings, etc..etc..oh, and for you colts fans..he too had some pretty nice stats comparable to Mannings first five years.

I appreciate all of you who took the time to reading my first (and very long) post.

There you go, using facts to make a point and not once drooling on yourself with blind Manning adoration. Your just going to get all the Colts trolls stirred up as they wet themselves in anxiety awaiting their inevitable ignominious departure from the playoffs.

Welcome aboard!

 

[SamBam39]

manning/brady

colts fans hate pats
pats fans hate colts

all is right with the world

football as it should be


ya know, I wouldn't care that much if the colts won if Manning wasn't such a cry baby when he lost. He shows a lack of class with all his throwing his arms up and acting huffy. it's conceited. it's his way of saying 'if my teammates would get open I could move the team' or 'if my teammates would stop dropping passes we wouldn't be losing'. it's actually an insult to his team the way he acts. he doesn't lose with class and I think that is most patriots fans only beef with the colts. other than that, we've had a good run and the colts are bound to get one one of these days!

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

colts fans hate pats
pats fans hate colts

all is right with the world

football as it should be


ya know, I wouldn't care that much if the colts won if Manning wasn't such a cry baby when he lost. He shows a lack of class with all his throwing his arms up and acting huffy. it's conceited. it's his way of saying 'if my teammates would get open I could move the team' or 'if my teammates would stop dropping passes we wouldn't be losing'. it's actually an insult to his team the way he acts. he doesn't lose with class and I think that is most patriots fans only beef with the colts. other than that, we've had a good run and the colts are bound to get one one of these days!

I'm sure they will just rattle off a run of four or five superbowls very shortly.....

 

[NovaScotiaPatsFan]

I guess the tuck rule didn't help Brady out. He's been spoiled with a defense in NE. Peyton just got one.*News Flash* Peyton is not a choker New England fans.

I keep forgetting it was the Defence that threw 4 INTs in the AFCC game.

 

[SamBam39]

I'm sure they will just rattle off a run of four or five superbowls very shortly.....

ha!
BB's shown the ability to devise defensive schemes to frustrate them even after the've had huge success all year. There's more doubt this year due to our secondary being weakened by Rodney Harrison being out, and due to the colts having finally improved their up til now weak ass defense. so we can admit, they have a better chance this year than ever before, have the home field, and realistically have a good shot at finally winning a title. but fact is, we'll get harrison back, and have 6 picks in the first four rounds of the draft, and we've had a great draft record, so we should reload and come right back at them next year.(if we don't stun them this year - again) we also had a brutal schedule this year, and we'll have an easy one next year. we could easily be flyinh high and secure home field and beat them again next year. who knows? truth is, it's great to have such a great rivalry! colts need to prove they can win it, and do it more than once to be able to match claims of success with the pats though!

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

The rivalry is about to swing away from the Midwest and head back down South near Cuba.....

 

[FSUPatsFan]

The rivalry is about to swing away from the Midwest and head back down South near Cuba.....

I think the Dolphins need a quarterback before the rivalry swings away from the Midwest. Saban did a great job, but I think their 9-7 record is a little overrated. They shouldn't have beaten the Patriots or the Broncos back in week 1. I do think they will have a winning record next year, but until they get a decent quarterback, I don't think it can be considered a rivalry, unless they can manage to win at least 12 games, which I don't see happening.

 

[SoonerPatriot]

I think the Dolphins need a quarterback before the rivalry swings away from the Midwest. Saban did a great job, but I think their 9-7 record is a little overrated. They shouldn't have beaten the Patriots or the Broncos back in week 1. I do think they will have a winning record next year, but until they get a decent quarterback, I don't think it can be considered a rivalry, unless they can manage to win at least 12 games, which I don't see happening.

If Saban is smart, he'll call up Jim Mora Jr. and pry Matt Schaub away from Atlanta. He's a better quarterback than Vick will ever be, but since the Falcons care more about jersey sales and marketing than winning, they'll never allow themselves to discover that.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

I think the Dolphins need a quarterback before the rivalry swings away from the Midwest. Saban did a great job, but I think their 9-7 record is a little overrated. They shouldn't have beaten the Patriots or the Broncos back in week 1. I do think they will have a winning record next year, but until they get a decent quarterback, I don't think it can be considered a rivalry, unless they can manage to win at least 12 games, which I don't see happening.

Saban knows he can still make the playoffs with a good defense, good run game, and okay QB. Miami landed the O-line coach from San Diego and their O-line was clicking at the end of the season, they will be better next year. Brown and Williams and a good O-line give them a run game. Saban is a defense oriented coach like BB so he'll build that up, then hope to find his own Brady. Expect them to be our strongest competition within the division, and Miami is always a difficult team for Pats. Indy and Pit are only rivals because they've been embarrassed in the playoffs during the SB seasons.

 

[FSUPatsFan]

If Saban is smart, he'll call up Jim Mora Jr. and pry Matt Schaub away from Atlanta. He's a better quarterback than Vick will ever be, but since the Falcons care more about jersey sales and marketing than winning, they'll never allow themselves to discover that.

But Vick is a Probowl Quarterback...

Biggest Joke Ever..Brunell, Bledsoe, and even Kurt Warner would have been a better choice

 

[FSUPatsFan]

Saban knows he can still make the playoffs with a good defense, good run game, and okay QB. Miami landed the O-line coach from San Diego and their O-line was clicking at the end of the season, they will be better next year. Brown and Williams and a good O-line give them a run game. Saban is a defense oriented coach like BB so he'll build that up, then hope to find his own Brady. Expect them to be our strongest competition within the division, and Miami is always a difficult team for Pats. Indy and Pit are only rivals because they've been embarrassed in the playoffs during the SB seasons.

True, but I think in order for the rivalry to truly be renewed there has to be really tight division competition next year, or it has to be a very competitive division for more than 1 year...The only way the dolphins are going to be close to the Patriots next year is if they win 12 games...because providing we draft well and everyone stays healthy, the pats should win ALOT of games next year with that schedule...Not only have the Pats, Colts, and Steelers played each other in the playoffs, they've also played each other every regular season because they are always at the top of their division...so even though they are not in the same division, we are still playing them every year...which helps the rivalry build..it won't be a rivalry again until the dolphins have a strong team for multiple years or the pats and phins meet in the playoffs

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

True, but I think in order for the rivalry to truly be renewed there has to be really tight division competition next year, or it has to be a very competitive division for more than 1 year...The only way the dolphins are going to be close to the Patriots next year is if they win 12 games...because providing we draft well and everyone stays healthy, the pats should win ALOT of games next year with that schedule...Not only have the Pats, Colts, and Steelers played each other in the playoffs, they've also played each other every regular season because they are always at the top of their division...so even though they are not in the same division, we are still playing them every year...which helps the rivalry build..it won't be a rivalry again until the dolphins have a strong team for multiple years or the pats and phins meet in the playoffs

Tell me that after they knocked the team down a peg to end last season. 10 games is enough for a wild card, it was enough for us to win the division this year. Next season's schedule looks easy now, but we won't know that until after the season.

 

[ColtsFan4Life]

Pats fans how is Peyton a choker in big games did he not beat the Broncos twice and a very good Chiefs team also. Playoff games are big games no matter what team you play against. Only teams that have man handled us in the playoffs are the Pats and Jets.

 

[ColtsFan4Life]

*ROFLMAO* Damn. Cry me a river. How about all the PUSH-OFFS that Marvin Harrison gets away with? Or Reggie Wayne? How about all the false starts that MANNING gets away with. And Delay of Game penalties not called on him?

Good teams overcome bad calls or non-calls. Face it. The Colts weren't a good team in 2003. No matter what you claim.

So basically what you're saying is the Colts didn't deserve to be in the AFC championship game. LMAO

I even have enough repect for the Pats to not even say they weren't a good team in any of their SB runs. I love to talk football with NFL fans, but most Pats fans speak out of hatred for Manning so I will disreguard that statement.