Why Len....why?

[Bill's Girl]

Why is the "Tuck rule" being on the books your defense when a team brings it up about how the Patriots had the refs in their back pocket when they played the Raiders, but when the "Ty Law rule" which was on the books also but wasn't being enforced, it is considered detrimental to the rules committee, Polian and the Colts because the refs were inept at calling the game the way it was called during the regular season instead of "just letting them play."

It's hard to take some fans serious for their football insight when the double standards are given a priority due to the fact that their team was the one getting the call.

I found myself in this same predicament while arguing a point, so I looked up the facts. I found out that I was wrong and stated so.

Please don't tell me you are also a member of 9/11 conspiracy theory about the Patriots winning SB 36....... The tuck rule was called according to what the ref thought he saw. The Patriots were still down by three points at that time. They still needed to tie and win that game......and then the Super Bowl.

The refs has not been making those 5 yard chuck calls consistently in 2003. BB and the defense used that to their advantage, WHY DIDN'T THE COLTS?

We still had to beat a tough Titans team, then the Colts and good Carolina team to win that Super Bowl.

All these "Peyton is God" posts remind me of how the Miami fans feel about Dan Marino. They can tell you about all of his passing records and his amazing hookups with Duper and Clayton. But what it all comes down to is Marino's one SB loss and Joe Montana's 4 Super Bowl rings!

 

[Pujo]

How about win a Super Bowl when your defense sucks, and you have to score every possession just to win. Brady welcome to Peytons world of yester year.

Why should Brady have to win a Superbowl with a bad defense to prove he's better than Manning? Manning's never done it.

 

[Warhorse]

I am not a conspiricist. The Tuck call was the right call, but the fact that it was called right is the reason for the discussion. The Ty Law rule already existed but wasn't called properly. And the whole Polian and point of emphasis crap is old and wrong. It wasn't just Polian, it was also the Rams, Carolina, the Titans and everyone else on the competition committee that made the refs "emphasize" the calling of the rule as it is written.

I never said Peyton was God. He is a great QB, that is all. Just like Brady is a great QB, only he is a step better for having 3 rings to Manning's zero rings.

I don't fault BB for calling his gameplan the way he did. I just believe the game should be called the same way it is all year long. The NFL shouldn't "let them just play" after the regular season is over. It changes the dynamic of the game, and a team that made it to the playoffs playing a certain way shouldn't have to gameplan for the refs. They should only have to gameplan for the opposing team.

Dungy should have changed his gameplan after he saw how the game was going. When playing in the playoffs, he is notorious for sticking to an unwise plan. Tampa Bay and Indy are all the proof you need. I believe this year he has turned that corner due to his gameplan alterations during the second halves of several games.

 

[Michael]

How about win a Super Bowl

Yes how about?

 

[Bill's Girl]

I am not a conspiricist. The Tuck call was the right call, but the fact that it was called right is the reason for the discussion. The Ty Law rule already existed but wasn't called properly. And the whole Polian and point of emphasis crap is old and wrong. It wasn't just Polian, it was also the Rams, Carolina, the Titans and everyone else on the competition committee that made the refs "emphasize" the calling of the rule as it is written.

I never said Peyton was God. He is a great QB, that is all. Just like Brady is a great QB, only he is a step better for having 3 rings to Manning's zero rings.

I don't fault BB for calling his gameplan the way he did. I just believe the game should be called the same way it is all year long. The NFL shouldn't "let them just play" after the regular season is over. It changes the dynamic of the game, and a team that made it to the playoffs playing a certain way shouldn't have to gameplan for the refs. They should only have to gameplan for the opposing team.

Dungy should have changed his gameplan after he saw how the game was going. When playing in the playoffs, he is notorious for sticking to an unwise plan. Tampa Bay and Indy are all the proof you need. I believe this year he has turned that corner due to his gameplan alterations during the second halves of several games.

That is a GREAT point that Dungy should have changed his game plan! I think what makes BB a great coach is his ability to change his plan in the middle of a game. One of the reasons we won SB 36 is that Mike Martz REFUSED to counter what BB was doing with his defense. I was surprised that Peyton kept going to Ty Law's side in the 2003 AFC Championship game.

 

[ColtsFan4Life]

I'm sorry, but that pic above my post is hilarious.

Dear Pats fans, I stated plenty of times in this thread I respect your 01' and 04' Super Bowl teams. It's just the 03' team I have a problem with.

As far as Manning being a choker I proved he could come through in the clutch, but no one dared to respond to my post. Was it because I was right?
I admit your 04' team beat the doo doo out of us fair and square I can admit that. You also have to be a clear cut homer to say Manning couldn't win the SB if he played for the Pats, matter of fact that's not homerism that's
anti-manningism.

 

[ColtsFan4Life]

That is a GREAT point that Dungy should have changed his game plan! I think what makes BB a great coach is his ability to change his plan in the middle of a game. One of the reasons we won SB 36 is that Mike Martz REFUSED to counter what BB was doing with his defense. I was surprised that Peyton kept going to Ty Law's side in the 2003 AFC Championship game.

As a person who has watched the Colts for a number of years let me say this. Dungy has no control over this offense it's all Manning, and Tom Moore. If Manning wants to he can wave off the punt or Fg team and go for it on 4th & short situations. Dungy controls the D along with D-Coordinator Ron Meeks.

 

[PATSNUTme]

I am not a conspiricist. The Tuck call was the right call, but the fact that it was called right is the reason for the discussion. The Ty Law rule already existed but wasn't called properly. And the whole Polian and point of emphasis crap is old and wrong. It wasn't just Polian, it was also the Rams, Carolina, the Titans and everyone else on the competition committee that made the refs "emphasize" the calling of the rule as it is written.

I never said Peyton was God. He is a great QB, that is all. Just like Brady is a great QB, only he is a step better for having 3 rings to Manning's zero rings.

I don't fault BB for calling his gameplan the way he did. I just believe the game should be called the same way it is all year long. The NFL shouldn't "let them just play" after the regular season is over. It changes the dynamic of the game, and a team that made it to the playoffs playing a certain way shouldn't have to gameplan for the refs. They should only have to gameplan for the opposing team.

Dungy should have changed his gameplan after he saw how the game was going. When playing in the playoffs, he is notorious for sticking to an unwise plan. Tampa Bay and Indy are all the proof you need. I believe this year he has turned that corner due to his gameplan alterations during the second halves of several games.

OK that was two years ago. What is the excuse last year? Oh, the weather, I almost forgot.

 

[Pats_Bryan]

As a person who has watched the Colts for a number of years let me say this. Dungy has no control over this offense it's all Manning, and Tom Moore. If Manning wants to he can wave off the punt or Fg team and go for it on 4th & short situations. Dungy controls the D along with D-Coordinator Ron Meeks.

Maybe they should pay Manning some coaching money.

The head coach is the head coach. The buck stops there. No excuses.

 

[ColtsFan4Life]

Maybe they should pay Manning some coaching money.

The head coach is the head coach. The buck stops there. No excuses.

Did you see the Seahawks and Cardinals game? Manning is the coordinator, and a mighty good one at that.

 

[Bill's Girl]

As a person who has watched the Colts for a number of years let me say this. Dungy has no control over this offense it's all Manning, and Tom Moore. If Manning wants to he can wave off the punt or Fg team and go for it on 4th & short situations. Dungy controls the D along with D-Coordinator Ron Meeks.

Does anyone else see the problem in this?? How is that working out for the Colts? Your head coach has no control of his own team! One more reason to be a BB fan!

There is no "I" in team, but there is a "me" and Peyton is definately a "me" man. He would not survive as a member of the Patriots.

 

[ColtsFan4Life]

Does anyone else see the problem in this?? How is that working out for the Colts? Your head coach has no control of his own team! One more reason to be a BB fan!

There is no "I" in team, but there is a "me" and Peyton is definately a "me" man. He would not survive as a member of the Patriots.

Tell me how is this a problem..our offense was already one of the best in the league before Dungy got here. Why mess with a top notch offense when the reason he was brought here was to fix our defense. Dungy does his job on the defensive side of the ball only, and Manning and Tom Moore handles the offense. I see no problem with that.

 

[upstater1]

How about win a Super Bowl when your defense sucks, and you have to score every possession just to win. Brady welcome to Peytons world of yester year.

Apparently, you missed the 30 points Carolina hung on the Pats D. At least watch the games before you comment. Sheesh.

And, at least blame Manning for only managing to score 3 points last year. Did Manning help the defense at all that game?

 

[ColtsFan4Life]

Apparently, you missed the 30 points Carolina hung on the Pats D. At least watch the games before you comment. Sheesh.

And, at least blame Manning for only managing to score 3 points last year. Did Manning help the defense at all that game?

Oh really, and how many points did you guys score on them?
I've already stated the Pats beat us fair and square last year in the playoffs along with the wind.

 

[Tony Collins]

Does anyone else see the problem in this?? How is that working out for the Colts? Your head coach has no control of his own team! One more reason to be a BB fan!

There is no "I" in team, but there is a "me" and Peyton is definately a "me" man. He would not survive as a member of the Patriots.

Oh please!!! I'm getting all weepy about the Patriots.

The Colts are fun to watch, 38-10 the last three years and are not thugs.

The fact that Manning is given more responsibility than the beloved 4th round hall of famer who wouldn't have made the team if Damon Huard didn't get hurt, or Michael Bishop passed on a cellophane bag really sticks in the craw doesn't it ?

Dropping 40 in your house turned this board into cricket central until you guys got hot and crushed the Saints Bills 2X Jets 2X and the warm weather Bucs. I'm not sure anyone can beat you guys after cutting through that tough schedule.

Face it, 3-6 against teams over 500. With that record why shouldn't Brady be MVP?

 

[Warhorse]

PATSNUTme - "OK that was two years ago. What is the excuse last year? Oh, the weather, I almost forgot."

I am not offering up excuses, so don't go attacking me for it. I asked a question about a subject that was brought up. And I even have taken up for the Pats about the Tuck rule. I just asked why there is such disparity against other teams having the competition committee look at a rule that wasn't enforced. The Tuck rule was reviewed that offseason, and it was upheld. The only difference is the Pats were on the right side of the call while the Colts were on the wrong side of a non-call. I could care less about how many Superbowls the Patriots have won or how they are so "disrespected." I care about the Colts and I cheer for them through the good and bad. I came here to talk football, not get in a petty argument about who has the better QB or who chokes games away or the total dismissal of a teams chances to win a Superbowl because they have to play Patriots, whoare just gonna roll them on their way to a fourth Lombardi.

I came to talk football not rehash the same tired arguments.

 

[T-ShirtDynasty]

Oh really, and how many points did you guys score on them?
I've already stated the Pats beat us fair and square last year in the playoffs along with the wind.

Bahahah, that's so typical of you guys... gotta get that whine in there. Along with the wind! As if the hand of God came down and stopped the wind whenever the Patriots had the ball. Boohooohooo it was windy.

Go whine somewhere else Troll.

 

[ilduce06410]

SB win when D sucks?

How about win a Super Bowl when your defense sucks, and you have to score every possession just to win. Brady welcome to Peytons world of yester year.

who has done that in a SB?
ol' peyton still has that to accomplish, and he's got some other "great" elements to attain as well. he has pretty much done what needs to be done in regular season. so right now i'd place him in a group of fine QBs who had great careers...Dan Fouts, John Brodie, John Hadl of the Chargers, Jim Hart of the Cardinals, Warren Moon (look him up). QBs such as Jim Kelly and Marino are in a higher category because their accomplishments were so extraordinary.
ol' peyton still has a ways to go. he's on pace, but as you and i know he'll be in the Marino/Kelly category unless he wins MULTIPLE championships.
if the team around him isn't up to snuff, life is tough. ask Marino or Sonny Jurgenson about that.

 

[Phokus]

How about win a Super Bowl when your defense sucks, and you have to score every possession just to win. Brady welcome to Peytons world of yester year.

Hahaahaha, the colt's defense didn't 'suck'. In years past, sure they gave up a lot of yards, but they were the best defense in the league at creating turnovers. Don't give me that 'peyton carried the colts on his shoulders' bs...

 

[coltshater]

Oh really, and how many points did you guys score on them?
I've already stated the Pats beat us fair and square last year in the playoffs along with the wind.

Isn't football supposed to be an outdoor sport?