Why couldn't we win the two Super Bowls against NYG?

[JMC00]

The defense lost both of those Super Bowls.

SO WHY THE F**K DID YOU MAKE THIS THREAD???

 

[JMC00]

Winner post above. Both Super Bowl losses the defense only gave up 17 pts, defense did its job.

Defense were given leads where all they had to do was make 1 last stop in each game to win it and they didn't

So no the defense didn't go its job.

SB 49 and 51 were examples of a defense doing its job when they needed it

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Defense were given leads where all they had to do was make 1 last stop in each game to win it and they didn't

So no the defense didn't go its job.

SB 49 and 51 were examples of a defense doing its job when they needed it

Both Patriot losses they couldn't hit 20 pts. Pats won every Super Bowl that they scored more than 17 points...

 

[Ivan]

Who cares

 

[Nikolai]

No offense but this thread ****ing stinks.

(Please remember I said "no offense")

Reminds me of this...

 

[Horace's Ivories]

I'm just here for the troll....

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

Winner post above. Both Super Bowl losses the defense only gave up 17 pts, defense did its job.

McDaniels is a much much better OC now than he was in 2005-08. People forget how many crushing hits Brady was taking in 2005, 2006, 2007 because Josh loved using 4 receivers all the time. Josh got way better as an OC 2.0, once he figured out that tight ends and running backs can also catch balls, inheriting O'Brien's 2TE offense. Having Gronk on the team definitely helped force the issue.

The stat sheet forgot about it also. It shows Brady took the exact same amount of sacks in 2005 as he did in 2004. Then the same amount in 2006. Then fewer sacks than all those years in 2007. He had the same amount of sacks in 2007 as he did in 2014 when he won the SB.

It seems far more likely that the choice of McDaniels to use Randy Moss over say Ben Watson while O'Brien used Gronk over Brandon Tate was driven by the fact that McDaniels had Moss and not Gronk while O'Brien had Gronk and not Moss.

I can't imagine any OC who would do it differently. Or not one who would be employed long.

 

[SammyBlueCat]

Winning championships is not a birth right.

 

[Lavictoire]

Brady had a high ankle sprain, a backup right tackle, and still Josh decided to call plays where he dropped back 7 steps and looked deep every time. That’s why.

Moss was like crack cocaine.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

The stat sheet forgot about it also. It shows Brady took the exact same amount of sacks in 2005 as he did in 2004. Then the same amount in 2006. Then fewer sacks than all those years in 2007. He had the same amount of sacks in 2007 as he did in 2014 when he won the SB.

It seems far more likely that the choice of McDaniels to use Randy Moss over say Ben Watson while O'Brien used Gronk over Brandon Tate was driven by the fact that McDaniels had Moss and not Gronk while O'Brien had Gronk and not Moss.

I can't imagine any OC who would do it differently. Or not one who would be employed long.

Except for :
Pre-Moss in 2005 and 2006 Josh was still overly into 3-4 receivers sets even with Reche Caldewell as the best receiver. Ben Watson was on those teams, he could catch the ball.
And O'Brien built an offense around Hernandez and Gronk, he drafted those guys, deliberately built an offense which was more balanced.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Also, just looked up the sacks given up from 2010, 2011, 2012 - only 25,27,32 sacks in the O'Brien offense. Lower than sacks given up 05-07 or 2013-now. This is all moot.
Point is sacks are higher in Josh's offense because he likes to go downfield more. He's a much better coordinator the last 5 years than his first 4 years a decade ago. He uses all the players now, RBs and TEs, thus so much harder to defend against, and when down 10 points he can actually adjust mid game now to beat what the defense is doing. He could NOT do this 10 years ago. Don't defend those offenses from 10 years ago - as others posted it was a very one dimensional predictable offense. That first Giants loss was basically 4 straight hail mary's at the end, not even trying to move the ball methodically.

 

[Kontradiction]

Quite a few new accounts coming on here in the last few days of "lifelong Patriots fans" posting some absolutely god awful threads/replies.

 

[Wax Frog]

It's all because of the Himalayan tree frog. If not for this

BB and Brady would be 7-0 in Super Bowls.





And curse you for forcing us all to think back on such a painful reality. Those frogs will haunt my dreams, forever!

Nope, not related, never met the guy, can we change the subject now?

 

[Observer]

Duh, we weren't cheating enough and the refs weren't in our pocket back then. Since then we have taken our cheating game to the next level.

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

Except for :
Pre-Moss in 2005 and 2006 Josh was still overly into 3-4 receivers sets even with Reche Caldewell as the best receiver. Ben Watson was on those teams, he could catch the ball.
And O'Brien built an offense around Hernandez and Gronk, he drafted those guys, deliberately built an offense which was more balanced.

So now BOB is running the draft? Watson was mediocre as a receiver, but he was used plenty in 2005 and 2006. Some of his best years were from then. What balance? Every year BOB's teams ran the ball less than the 2006 team. He wasn't running a bunch of 4 WR sets in 2006.

The OCs use their best players. BOB wouldn't run an offense through Hooman and Watson with Maroney in the backfield while Moss sits on the bench. He would be an idiot to do so. Today the Texans aren't running a dynamic 2 TE offense because that offense was predicated on having two great TEs. Something McDaniels didn't have.

 

[Chris Stevenson]

Flawed offensive ideology tied to brady thunking he didn’t need a run game or playaction.

 

[Chris Stevenson]

That wasn't Brady's fault. The defense lost both of those Super Bowls. I'm constantly reading about how Brady's always had a stacked defense to bail him out of tight jam. However, it was his defense that lost him two super bowls against the same damn team.

You think he played as well in sb 42/46
as he did in sb 49/51??? If so, explain how and why:

 

[CheekyDave]

I always thought that Brady had a broken foot, that was called a ankle sprain, in any event, he couldnt move, and the second game, he seperated his shoulder on the Tuck tackle in the second half, Gronk was crippled by his ankle, and as it was They lost on fluke plays. It all evens out, they could easily have won both those games, and lost the Seattle and Atlanta games, or lost the Rams game, and won a Giants game.

Im looking forward to them scoring 21 points in the 1st quarter of the Superbowl, as surely they cannot have 8 games in a row in the Superbowl where they dont score early and or alot of points, amirite.

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

Flawed offensive ideology tied to brady thunking he didn’t need a run game or playaction.

Why do you think Brady ran the offensive ideology, or had any say in the players?

 

[FCB02062]

Because the Patriots wore their blue jerseys