Why can't we draft receivers?

[Wozzy]

I've made similar post. Parker I don't see him here.. he's too unreliable, injury prone, and plays on average half a season. He showed flashes every now and then but just not worth the investment. However good for him if guys can get paid kudos.

He only has 6M owed to him, they can hold him or trade him. His contract isn’t too unwieldy to move him.

On juju, he was damaged goods, has had knee issues since Pitt, had some good years but just isn't the same guy. To be under 30 I believe he could do well as a #3 option here. Absolutely need better blocking upfront. This team was so injury ravaged this season pretty much had a practice squad out there yesterday.

It usually takes a year to recover fully from knee surgery, even if you can play. He played one game with Zappe and had 90 yards receiving. We had a QB problem more than a weapons problem. Juju should be fine next season assuming the QB and line play better.

So next season top FA #1 WR, draft pick , Douglas, Bourne, juju, Thornton.. I don't know what to think of with the TEs.

They should re-sign our TE’s, they weren’t the problem. I’d prioritize Henry and Brown, they probably can’t afford all three.

Free agent WR’s are expensive, they should draft a couple more later in the draft.

 

[Wozzy]

Re-read what you posted. You said rookie WRs have the highest failure rate in the NFL?

I said in wich I should have clarified as rookies like JJ, moss, to name a few were game changers right away. But I'll agree not all rookies pan out in the NFL.

I know what I posted… WR’s have among the highest rate of failure in the NFL draft.

That’s ^ not my opinion, that’s factually accurate.

Julio Jones, Moss… these were high first round picks, generational talents. Diggs and Tyreek were late round picks who were developed.

Rookie WR’s fail at a high rate, that’s why it’s smart to take linemen or other positions that don’t early.

 

[Real fan 02]

He only has 6M owed to him, they can hold him or trade him. His contract isn’t too unwieldy to move him.

It usually takes a year to recover fully from knee surgery, even if you can play. He played one game with Zappe and had 90 yards receiving. We had a QB problem more than a weapons problem. Juju should be fine next season assuming the QB and line play better.

They should re-sign our TE’s, they weren’t the problem. I’d prioritize Henry and Brown, they probably can’t afford all three.

Free agent WR’s are expensive, they should draft a couple more later in the draft.

If Henry stays he would likely be offered a team friendly deal if he stays. I like brown too. Probably more realistic that gisikie and brown are here. Yes the cost to acquire talent is always expensive.. this team has so many needs offensively.
QB, LT, WR, Are at the top. I think Harris Jr. Has a role here. I'd like zeke back for another season.

 

[jdlboot14]

This "drafting WR" thread looks more like a FA WR thread... because that's all we can rely on.

It stinks seeing Brandin Cooks looking like a star in Dallas after we couldn't make it work with him. He's had multiple 1000 yard seasons since leaving, and looks like a big part of a SB-contending team at 30 years old.

So, it's not only drafting WR's that BB sucks at, it's evaluating and signing the right FA's too. That "fail list" is as long as the draftee list.

 

[Real fan 02]

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I know what I posted… WR’s have among the highest rate of failure in the NFL draft.

That’s ^ not my opinion, that’s factually accurate.

Julio Jones, Moss… these were high first round picks, generational talents. Diggs and Tyreek were late round picks who were developed.

Rookie WR’s fail at a high rate, that’s why it’s smart to take linemen or other positions that don’t early.

Right and I mentioned a HOF WR and another that will be there once day in JJ. Those guys were game changers thier rookie seasons. Just like thier are examples of many bust from lots of teams or course.. Branch 02, Jules 09, Mitchell '15 , Myers '19, Douglas'22

I didn't mention gronk and hernandez as they are TEs.. so in 22 seasons we drafted 4 WRs and developed them into productive players.

 

[RIpats88]

I know what I posted… WR’s have among the highest rate of failure in the NFL draft.

That’s ^ not my opinion, that’s factually accurate.

Julio Jones, Moss… these were high first round picks, generational talents. Diggs and Tyreek were late round picks who were developed.

Rookie WR’s fail at a high rate, that’s why it’s smart to take linemen or other positions that don’t early.

I feel like this is just spouting nonsense. I guarantee other positions such as linemen etc. bust as well as high picks.

I mean strange isn't exactly lighting up the league as a top lineman...

Justify us not drafting receivers high by just saying they mostly bust! Bill is smart for waiting!

 

[Wozzy]

If Henry stays he would likely be offered a team friendly deal if he stays. I like brown too. Probably more realistic that gisikie and brown are here. Yes the cost to acquire talent is always expensive.. this team has so many needs offensively.
QB, LT, WR, Are at the top. I think Harris Jr. Has a role here. I'd like zeke back for another season.

Henry was the highest paid TE in the 2021 free agent class, he probably will be again… by us or someone else. He’s one of the better TE’s in the NFL. I agree Gesicki will be cheaper.

 

[RIpats88]

Henry was the highest paid TE in the 2021 free agent class, he probably will be again… by us or someone else. He’s one of the better TE’s in the NFL. I agree Gesicki will be cheaper.

We should keep Henry. Good tight ends are hard to find. And whomever our QB is would help having that kind of target.

 

[Wozzy]

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Right and I mentioned a HOF WR and another that will be there once day in JJ. Those guys were game changers thier rookie seasons. Just like thier are examples of many bust from lots of teams or course.. Branch 02, Jules 09, Mitchell '15 , Myers '19, Douglas'22

I didn't mention gronk and hernandez as they are TEs.. so in 22 seasons we drafted 4 WRs and developed them into productive players.

AJ Brown, Deebo… those guys struggled the first half of their rookie seasons. Deebo got benched midseason. But they developed and improved.

Look at the WR’s the Pat’s drafted for two decades. Outside of Chad Jackson and N’Keal most were mid to late round picks they hoped to develop, otherwise their best WR’s were free agents or trade bait who were undervalued by the league; Welker, Amendola, Moss was considered washed up, Cooks was here for a year and shipped out when it came time to get paid.

Stefon Diggs was a 5th round pick. Tyreek Hill went in round 6. Antonio Brown was a 7th rounder. Julian Edelman was a 7th rounder. Wes Welker was an undrafted free agent. Troy Brown went in the 8th round, when such a round existed. Steve Smith went in round 3. Adam Thielen was an undrafted free agent. No need to burn a #1.

 

[archstanton543]

I feel like this is just spouting nonsense. I guarantee other positions such as linemen etc. bust as well as high picks.

I mean strange isn't exactly lighting up the league as a top lineman...

Justify us not drafting receivers high by just saying they mostly bust! Bill is smart for waiting!

It's Wozzy. Spouting nonsense is his thing. Clown with the biggest red nose here. I haven't blocked him because the sheer insanity is fun to watch. Just be careful not to stare into the abyss of crazy too long.

 

[RIpats88]

Scouts: Bill this guy AJ Brown..can really go up and get it.. he fights for the ball, can run every route, 4-2 speed, team player, smart and everything you want in a WR.

Bill: I'm going to have to give him guaranteed money at some point...I can get 2 WRs in the 5th round for that price.

I do think this is part of it. Bill views two $10million receivers as better "value" than one $20million guy.

But the value of an AJ brown or Tyreek hill is so much more than parker/juju.

At issue is this team/offense will never have a high ceiling no matter who the QB is without at least one elite talent dictating coverage.

We saw it again yesterday. Teams don't respect our receivers. They are perfectly okay keeping everyone in single coverage because they know we have no one who can get open in man coverage

 

[JohnJH]

I've made similar post. Parker I don't see him here.. he's too unreliable, injury prone, and plays on average half a season. He showed flashes every now and then but just not worth the investment. However good for him if guys can get paid kudos.

On juju, he was damaged goods, has had knee issues since Pitt, had some good years but just isn't the same guy. To be under 30 I believe he could do well as a #3 option here. Absolutely need better blocking upfront. This team was so injury ravaged this season pretty much had a practice squad out there yesterday.

So next season top FA #1 WR, draft pick , Douglas, Bourne, juju, Thornton.. I don't know what to think of with the TEs.

I'm intrigued by TE Cade Stover. He'll be coming out in the 2024 Draft. 6'4" and around 255. Beast blocker right now, but has shown the ability to be a talented receiver if he's brought along properly.

 

[Wozzy]

It's Wozzy. Spouting nonsense is his thing. Clown with the biggest red nose here. I haven't blocked him because the sheer insanity is fun to watch. Just be careful not to stare into the abyss of crazy too long.

Your “thing” is lurking around here and laughing emoji at everything I write…. it’s creepy.

You were here arguing all season Mac was good while he was taking a flaming nose dive off the high board…. maybe show some humility and self diagnose where you went wrong instead of criticizing others.

 

[Real fan 02]

Henry was the highest paid TE in the 2021 free agent class, he probably will be again… by us or someone else. He’s one of the better TE’s in the NFL. I agree Gesicki will be cheaper.

He is a good TE, I don't know what market would be for him. He'll likely want to go to a contender I'd imagine.. so I'm thinking gisikie, brown and draft pick

 

[Wozzy]

I do think this is part of it. Bill views two $10million receivers as better "value" than one $20million guy.

But the value of an AJ brown or Tyreek hill is so much more than parker/juju.

At issue is this team/offense will never have a high ceiling no matter who the QB is without at least one elite talent dictating coverage.

We saw it again yesterday. Teams don't respect our receivers. They are perfectly okay keeping everyone in single coverage because they know we have no one who can get open in man coverage

Team would have respected our weapons if we had a QB that could make them pay and a line that could block long enough to give him time.

 

[Wozzy]

He is a good TE, I don't know what market would be for him. He'll likely want to go to a contender I'd imagine.. so I'm thinking gisikie, brown and draft pick

We’ll see, he came here in 2021 when things looked bleak as well.

 

[Real fan 02]

I'm intrigued by TE Cade Stover. He'll be coming out in the 2024 Draft. 6'4" and around 255. Beast blocker right now, but has shown the ability to be a talented receiver if he's brought along properly.

I've heard of him! If stover would be available to us.. absolutely take him. It's to much of the unknown with pending FAs right now. We don't know who wants to stay/go.

 

[Real fan 02]

We’ll see, he came here in 2021 when things looked bleak as well.

We gave him alot of guaranteed money. He's good I like HH.. but it's just all dependent on what he want to do. He says he loves playing here and loves the area. So..

 

[RIpats88]

Team would have respected our weapons if we had a QB that could make them pay and a line that could block long enough to give him time.

No one is respecting parker and juju. I'm sorry. You honestly believe with a better QB teams are doubling them and coming up with gameplan to limit them or they are putting 100 yards on you?

Some of these opinions can't be serious. There is a difference to a Justin Jefferson, aj brown, Deebo etc. and what we are trotting out.

They are fine players. But any team with juju/parker as your #1 targets is not going far.

 

[The Gr8est]

This "drafting WR" thread looks more like a FA WR thread... because that's all we can rely on.

It stinks seeing Brandin Cooks looking like a star in Dallas after we couldn't make it work with him. He's had multiple 1000 yard seasons since leaving, and looks like a big part of a SB-contending team at 30 years old.

So, it's not only drafting WR's that BB sucks at, it's evaluating and signing the right FA's too. That "fail list" is as long as the draftee list.

Cooks was drafted by the Saints and was traded to the Pats. The Pats traded him to the Rams.

When a player is moved that much there are reasons why.