Who will be the new OC?

[FCB02062]

Need two Diverse interviewees beforehand.

Amanda Belichick and Mrs Jastremski, diversity spliced

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

If he has HC aspirations (and I assume he does), it may be beneficial for Bienemy to prove himself by getting out from Reid’s shadow. Not sure that place is here though.

 

[Patsgofor4]

That would be interesting.

No thanks. Doesn’t know the system and he would only be using the job as a steppingstone for a head coaching job, ASAP.

He’s kind of an arrogant dink but O’Brien is clearly the best option IF Bill can get him to commit to at least two seasons as OC before considering head coaching positions. He’d obviously be asked to run the Patriots system I could also bring elements of the Alabama offense.

From O’Brien’s standpoint, if he wants to be an NFL head coach again, the Patriots OC job makes much more sense than remaining in Alabama. If Alabama has a great season on offense next year and/or the year after, many NFL teams may just chalk that up to superior talent, vs. helping Mac take his game to another level.

 

[jdlboot14]

Curious how long we'll have to wait for any movement on the staff side. BB does take his time with these things. And, the longer it goes, the more I wonder if he'll just keep the internal chute going. But, if he puts it on Caley or Lombardi, we'll have some serious learning curve to overcome. Same with DC. the longer it goes, if Mayo stays, they've got to legitimize something for leadership.

 

[Love The Drake]

Read Dolphins are looking to retain Boyer and or bring on Fangio.

 

[Tunescribe]

I was wondering this could somebody explain the real differences between the offensive philosophies.

Todays NFL is mostly a air it out game, so what would changing the offensive philosophy or combining principles from 2 different offenses what pros and or cons could that create?

The differences can be significant. Terminology, for instance, is like learning a foreign language and is the thread running through everything. And unlike a lot of teams the Pats run a precision timing-based passing offense that even an experienced OC like Bienemy might not know. New England's system hasn't changed during BB's tenure so that's why they keep talking about either elevating someone in-house or bringing in a coach with working knowledge of what they do.

 

[ralmat55]

Someone here mentioned Pep Hamilton as an OC possibility, Just saw on NFL network ticker that he’s staying on with the Texans as their OC.

 

[Love The Drake]

Someone here mentioned Pep Hamilton as an OC possibility, Just saw on NFL network ticker that he’s staying on with the Texans as their OC.

Was me and depending on who our OC is I'm a bit disappointed we can't grab Pep.
He seems to be a bit of a QB whisperer.

 

[Love The Drake]

The differences can be significant. Terminology, for instance, is like learning a foreign language and is the thread running through everything. And unlike a lot of teams the Pats run a precision timing-based passing offense that even an experienced OC like Bienemy might not know. New England's system hasn't changed during BB's tenure so that's why they keep talking about either elevating someone in-house or bringing in a coach with working knowledge of what they do.

With as young as Mac and is and there not being a grizzled offensive player would a change of philosophy, terminology be a major hurdle?
Or is BB just married to the air Coryell offense?

 

[ralmat55]

No thanks. Doesn’t know the system and he would only be using the job as a steppingstone for a head coaching job, ASAP.

He’s kind of an arrogant dink but O’Brien is clearly the best option IF Bill can get him to commit to at least two seasons as OC before considering head coaching positions. He’d obviously be asked to run the Patriots system I could also bring elements of the Alabama offense.

From O’Brien’s standpoint, if he wants to be an NFL head coach again, the Patriots OC job makes much more sense than remaining in Alabama. If Alabama has a great season on offense next year and/or the year after, many NFL teams may just chalk that up to superior talent, vs. helping Mac take his game to another level.

Perhaps, it doesn’t. Alabama is a much safer bet for O’Brien. What does it do for future HC options if he came to the Pats and Jones regressed? That risk is not there at Alabama as the players are often worlds better than the opposition.

 

[jimnance]

With as young as Mac and is and there not being a grizzled offensive player would a change of philosophy, terminology be a major hurdle?
Or is BB just married to the air Coryell offense?

That would be the absolute worst thing you could to the offense.
It took all season for Mac to learn it, not to mention just adapting to the speed,talent and complexity of nfl defenses.
Hes now got an offseason where he can focus on getting stronger and improving mechanics. Not to mention continuing to develop chemistry with his receivers.
He'll be able to play faster,make quicker and better decisions and find the open man better this year since he won't have to think as much. If you change the offense now,all that goes out the window and the Pats are almost back to square one. Not to mention Bourne Henry Myers et al were starting to get in synch with Mac- now they too have to learn a new offense.
Mac will play a little freer this year.
Don't f that up.

 

[ralmat55]

Last year the pundits and us humble posters were saying the Patriots never spend big in free agency. This year everyone is saying Bill doesn’t hire outside coaches.

C’mon Bill, surprise us again. Bring in O’Brien and Gase as a QB coach. I’d do cartwheels if you brought back Flo as your DC. I know the lawsuit, but Bill you did not do anything wrong. Let’s get a D that takes the fight to the offense again and just think what a wonderful F you that would be to the “other 31” and the goons on Madison Avenue.

 

[Ring 6]

Why the heck would I apologize? You've said a bunch of things in the last week, I have you clearly pinned. It's obvious how you come to your conclusions on these coaches.

Of all the BS in this thread about Mayo's credentials, you guys take the cake. From claims of the guy never playing special teams, to Vrabel having it over him because he played TE a couple times, to grad assistant years counting more than Mayo's playing years, the extraordinary lengths you go to to diminish Mayo's experience, the conclusion is obvious.

So now you make things up to create something to argue against? There is nothing in that laundry list that I ever said, and I said nothing to diminish Mayo in any way.

 

[DaBruinz]

The differences can be significant. Terminology, for instance, is like learning a foreign language and is the thread running through everything. And unlike a lot of teams the Pats run a precision timing-based passing offense that even an experienced OC like Bienemy might not know. New England's system hasn't changed during BB's tenure so that's why they keep talking about either elevating someone in-house or bringing in a coach with working knowledge of what they do.

If Bienemy has experience in a Earnhardt / Perkins system, then he'd have no issue learning the terminology here. That's what DEFINES the E/P system.

 

[Give Kraft A Hand]

Make Bienemy the highest paid OC in the league. That would be a Grand Slam hire. Won't happen though. Bill doesn't like hiring coordinators outside the "family".

 

[DaBruinz]

That would be the absolute worst thing you could to the offense.
It took all season for Mac to learn it, not to mention just adapting to the speed,talent and complexity of nfl defenses.
Hes now got an offseason where he can focus on getting stronger and improving mechanics. Not to mention continuing to develop chemistry with his receivers.
He'll be able to play faster,make quicker and better decisions and find the open man better this year since he won't have to think as much. If you change the offense now,all that goes out the window and the Pats are almost back to square one. Not to mention Bourne Henry Myers et al were starting to get in synch with Mac- now they too have to learn a new offense.
Mac will play a little freer this year.
Don't f that up.

Out of curiosity, what makes you think that the Pats would Change the OFFENSE bringing in someone other than O'Brien? It's been BB's OFFENSE for 22 years. Do you honestly believe he'd allow someone to bring in all new terminology and screw all that up? Whomever he brings in will be familiar with E/P. Hopefully, that person would be familiar with the guys on the team like Henry, Smith, Bourne and Meyers and have an idea how to best utilize the 2 TE sets and get Bourne involved in the game early. He truly IS a catalyst player and they should be targeting him 95+ times a year.

They need someone who isn't afraid to have MAC make the back-shoulder fades because it's nearly impossible to defend. They also need someone who can find a way to get Jonnu Smith more involved. Be it Jet sweeps, Seam routes, or whatever. What they can't do is relegate him to being a blocker and a 6th option for receiver.

 

[Ring 6]

I was wondering this could somebody explain the real differences between the offensive philosophies.

Todays NFL is mostly a air it out game, so what would changing the offensive philosophy or combining principles from 2 different offenses what pros and or cons could that create?

The biggest differences for a qb are the footwork/timing and the reads and progressions. You have to learn where to look, what you are seeing, and when to look for it.
But the problem with changing systems and coordinators is often the opposite, that the coach doesn’t know the player, his strengths and weaknesses and he needs to adapt to who the QB is.

 

[Ring 6]

Curious how long we'll have to wait for any movement on the staff side. BB does take his time with these things. And, the longer it goes, the more I wonder if he'll just keep the internal chute going. But, if he puts it on Caley or Lombardi, we'll have some serious learning curve to overcome. Same with DC. the longer it goes, if Mayo stays, they've got to legitimize something for leadership.

If it’s internal it won’t be a promotion to OC, either Lombardi or Caleb will become QB coach and have the bulk of OC duties without the title.
If that’s the route, the signal should be the hiring of a wr or te coach. If they are going outside we should start seeing interviews soon so they fulfill the requirements to br able to offer the job to the guy they choose.

 

[MrTibbs]

Did I miss something? Is it looking like a "NO GO" for a Billy O.B. return???

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Did I miss something? Is it looking like a "NO GO" for a Billy O.B. return???

Some mediot said that O’Brien told the alabama players he would be back next year.

Some mediots are saying we are probably staying in house. Hopefully this does not screw up Jones’s development.