What's Your "WTF" Pick ?

[VrabelMayeWin]

24, 28, whatever. Give me a name that you would literally say "What the F*ck" if they picked in the first round - but, of course, it has to be someone reasonable or have a reasonable source suggesting it's withing some form of reality.

Mine - Chris Henry, RB, Arizona.

I know he's not looked at as a first rounder but with this from Sports Illustrated :

"As many as a half a dozen running backs could be selected by the end of the second round, and there could be some surprises. Ohio State's Michael Pittman has improved his draft stock and is likely to be the third running back drafted, somewhere in the opening selections of Round 2. The dark horse is Arizona's Chris Henry -- the 230-pound ball carrier who ran the 40 in 4.4 seconds at the combine and has been very impressive during individual workouts. He should also be drafted in the top half of the second round."

As the Patriots have visited with him, saying that he "should" be drafted in the top half of the second round makes him a viable WTF pick for the end of the first round.

 

[Water Boy]

24, 28, whatever. Give me a name that you would literally say "What the F*ck" if they picked in the first round - but, of course, it has to be someone reasonable or have a reasonable source suggesting it's withing some form of reality.

Greg Olsen.

Marcus Mcauley

Brian Leonard

Dwayne Jarrett

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

Greg Olsen.

Marcus Mcauley

Brian Leonard

Dwayne Jarrett

None of them are guys I'm focused on getting but other than Leonard they interest me to a reasonable extent. Leonard . . . yeah, WTF.

 

[dryheat44]

Drew Stanton
Marshawn Lynch

 

[Clonamery]

Marshawn Lynch

Yeah, that...

 

[Handel]

Ryan Kalil
Greg Olsen

 

[SeanBruschi54]

Marshawn Lynch
Robert Meachem
Dwayne Bowe
Sideny Rice
Greg Olsen
Ben Patrick
Ryan Kalil
Ben Grubbs

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

Marshawn Lynch
Robert Meachem
Dwayne Bowe
Sideny Rice
Greg Olsen
Ben Patrick
Ryan Kalil
Ben Grubbs

The WR kind of intrigue me. If there's a guy we think will fit in well, we could solve WR immediately with the draftee, Stallworth, Welker and still have Jackson's upside. I'm not looking for a WR, I think we're OK with the group as is but after last year, a late #1 on a WR if they think he'll be really good is fine with me.

 

[SeanBruschi54]

The WR kind of intrigue me. If there's a guy we think will fit in well, we could solve WR immediately with the draftee, Stallworth, Welker and still have Jackson's upside. I'm not looking for a WR, I think we're OK with the group as is but after last year, a late #1 on a WR if they think he'll be really good is fine with me.

I'm just saying if we draft a WR, then Gaffney or Caldwell or Wsahington is getting cut.

Because theres no dam way we'll carry 6 WR's much less 7.

I'm assuming Brown, Stallworth and Welker are the locks.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Tim Crowder DE

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

I'm just saying if we draft a WR, then Gaffney or Caldwell or Wsahington is getting cut.

Because theres no dam way we'll carry 6 WR's much less 7.

I'm assuming Brown, Stallworth and Welker are the locks.

We could carry 6. That's could, not will.

I would take a WR if we think he's just too good to pass up. With Gaffney and Caldwell being FA and Brown about done, I would be fine with setting ourselves up with new guy, Stallworth, Welker and Washington for a long time.

But it would have to be what we consider to be a great value - I just don't want to miss the chance if a few WR drop because of the depth there this year.

 

[sebman2112]

Olsen
Jerrett
Bowe
Leonard
Ross

 

[VJCPatriot]

We could carry 6. That's could, not will.

I would take a WR if we think he's just too good to pass up. With Gaffney and Caldwell being FA and Brown about done, I would be fine with setting ourselves up with new guy, Stallworth, Welker and Washington for a long time.

But it would have to be what we consider to be a great value - I just don't want to miss the chance if a few WR drop because of the depth there this year.

I really like Meachem and Bowe. Sidney Rice to a lesser extent. Jarrett to an even lesser extent. If one of the really good receivers lasts to 28 I don't mind them taking one there. Might not happen anyways, depends on who else is there.

Olsen might happen at 28 as well. He has very good hands. Both Olsen and Meachem were head to head in the hands competition. Meachem ended up winning by a point. But I could clearly see that Meachem could have scored more, he was literally waiting on the machines to send the ball to him and didn't drop a single one. He put on a clinic and we all know his speed/agility numbers by now.

 

[patsgo]

24, 28, whatever. Give me a name that you would literally say "What the F*ck" if they picked in the first round - but, of course, it has to be someone reasonable or have a reasonable source suggesting it's withing some form of reality.

Mine - Chris Henry, RB, Arizona.

I know he's not looked at as a first rounder but with this from Sports Illustrated :

"As many as a half a dozen running backs could be selected by the end of the second round, and there could be some surprises. Ohio State's Michael Pittman has improved his draft stock and is likely to be the third running back drafted, somewhere in the opening selections of Round 2. The dark horse is Arizona's Chris Henry -- the 230-pound ball carrier who ran the 40 in 4.4 seconds at the combine and has been very impressive during individual workouts. He should also be drafted in the top half of the second round."

As the Patriots have visited with him, saying that he "should" be drafted in the top half of the second round makes him a viable WTF pick for the end of the first round.

probably a unknown either from fresno state, iowa, or notre dame

 

[DW Toys]

In our two first rounders,
1-an O-lineman when we need a ILB, S AND CB DESPERATELY. By 2010 we'll have 10 starting OTs if we keep drafting O line help. Whats this Staley stuff. Is he that much better than any of our other 5 OTs? Or are we wasting a pick that does the DNP game in 2007.

2-TE-ONE MORE GIVES US SIX ON THE ROSTER. END OF THE DRAFT? MAYBE.

3-WR-WE COULD SET UP A GAME AND SEE WHO IS THE "DNP" WR OF THE WEEK.....BUT WE HAVE 'EM ON THE ROSTER. END OF THE DRAFT? MAYBE.

4-DL-MAYBE A VINCE "HELPER-OUTER" NT LIKE THAT THOMAS KID AT THE END OF THE DRAFT.

UNLESS THEY ARE GOING TO GO FOR THE LESSER EXPENSE FA LEFT OVERS. YOU NEED AT LEAST ONE STUD ILB, A CB AND MAYBE TWO SAFTIES.

DWToys

 

[gomezcat]

Quite simply, any QB, Harrell, Tyler, Pit"kokk", or any of the Tight Ends. I could live with anything else in the 1st.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

Any LB not named Patrick Willis. In particular, Jon Beason would be my pick. Some mock drafts predict Beason to go to the Pats which leaves me scratching my head. Beason too small to play the 3-4 inside or out and isn't very fast. Also, Greg Olsen, Brian Leonard, any DT, any OG, any C, CB Tarnard Jackson, S Eric Weddle and S Aaron Rouse. However, Peter King notes, that there is a lack of talent in the first round http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/04/15/draft/index.html so I don't believe that the Pats are going to reach on a player that will leave us thinking WTF? I think the Pats will either try to trade up for a "can't miss guy" or desperately try to trade on of their picks.

 

[DaBruinz]

In our two first rounders,
1-an O-lineman when we need a ILB, S AND CB DESPERATELY. By 2010 we'll have 10 starting OTs if we keep drafting O line help. Whats this Staley stuff. Is he that much better than any of our other 5 OTs? Or are we wasting a pick that does the DNP game in 2007.

To put it bluntly, YES. Staley is better than 2-3 of the players currently on the Pats roster.

Nick Kaczur- Mentioned in trades. Also has an injury history. Missed all of camp with a shoulder injury suffered prior to the end of last season. Also 28 years old.

Ryan O'Callaghan - Big injury flags. had 2 concussions last year. Has a history of other injuries. He wasn't the same player when he returned as when he started the season.

Wesley Britt & Sean Bubin - Bubin is out of options. He either makes the team or gets cut. The Pats would be the 4th team he was cut from. Britt might hold on, but I don't see him being as good as Staley.

Also, with the Pats moving to a zone blocking scheme, that tends to favor a more athletic OT.

2-TE-ONE MORE GIVES US SIX ON THE ROSTER. END OF THE DRAFT? MAYBE.

6? How do you get 6? Watson, Thomas, Brady, Kranchick. Are you considering Mills, who is more of an H-back than a true TE?

3-WR-WE COULD SET UP A GAME AND SEE WHO IS THE "DNP" WR OF THE WEEK.....BUT WE HAVE 'EM ON THE ROSTER. END OF THE DRAFT? MAYBE.

Stallworth, Caldwell, Gaffney and Washington are all on one year deals. That would leave the Pats with only Jackson and Welker going into the next off-season. I could see the Pats drafting a Meachum or Smith if they felt that they could contribute more long-term than the players currently on the team. Also, Washington and Gaffney are very easily cut because of the low cap hit they would cost the Patriots.

That being said, I would like to see a WR/PR/KR type player either drafted or taken as a UDFA. This is not anything against Welker, but a move to help keep Hobbs or Maroney from having to do the returning.

4-DL-MAYBE A VINCE "HELPER-OUTER" NT LIKE THAT THOMAS KID AT THE END OF THE DRAFT.

Think back to 2003. The Pats drafted Warren though they still had Hamilton. The Pats could draft someone like Carriker to groom behind Warren and Seymour and help with the rotation more. Mike Wright and Jarvis Green are very tradeable commodities who could garner mid-draft picks in 2008. Also, I don't think it would be very hard to replace LeKevan Smith or Marquis Hill on the roster with someone more effective.

UNLESS THEY ARE GOING TO GO FOR THE LESSER EXPENSE FA LEFT OVERS. YOU NEED AT LEAST ONE STUD ILB, A CB AND MAYBE TWO SAFTIES.

DWToys

I agree that the Pats should draft an ILB. However, I believe it should be regardless of whether they are going to sign someone like Seau.

As for CB and Safety, I agree the Pats need to add more talent at CB. However, the Pats might be content with Mitchell and Hawkins backing up Wilson. And, with them giving Baker a 2 year deal, they may be comfortable with his play behind Harrison and Sanders. I would LOVE the Pats to add safeties because I believe there is talent to be had at the position through-out the draft.

 

[DaBruinz]

Any LB not named Patrick Willis. In particular, Jon Beason would be my pick. Some mock drafts predict Beason to go to the Pats which leaves me scratching my head. Beason too small to play the 3-4 inside or out and isn't very fast. Also, Greg Olsen, Brian Leonard, any DT, any OG, any C, CB Tarnard Jackson, S Eric Weddle and S Aaron Rouse. However, Peter King notes, that there is a lack of talent in the first round http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/04/15/draft/index.html so I don't believe that the Pats are going to reach on a player that will leave us thinking WTF? I think the Pats will either try to trade up for a "can't miss guy" or desperately try to trade on of their picks.

Why is Beason too small to play the same WILB position that Tedy Bruschi plays? Help me understand your thinking on that.

Beason - 6 foot .25 inches tall. 237 lbs. (this is light for the Pats).

If Bruschi is a full 6'1, I'd be amazed. 2 years ago, he played at 255 when he returned from his injury. He was normally playing at 248. Do you really think it will be that hard for Beason to put on weight?

EDIT: Of Note, Is 7/8" and 5 lbs really that big of a difference? That is the difference between BEASON, whom you say is too small to play the ILB position, and Willis, who you imply is ideal.

 

[DW Toys]

To put it bluntly, YES. Staley is better than 2-3 of the players currently on the Pats roster.

Nick Kaczur- Mentioned in trades. Also has an injury history. Missed all of camp with a shoulder injury suffered prior to the end of last season. Also 28 years old.

Ryan O'Callaghan - Big injury flags. had 2 concussions last year. Has a history of other injuries. He wasn't the same player when he returned as when he started the season.

Wesley Britt & Sean Bubin - Bubin is out of options. He either makes the team or gets cut. The Pats would be the 4th team he was cut from. Britt might hold on, but I don't see him being as good as Staley.

Also, with the Pats moving to a zone blocking scheme, that tends to favor a more athletic OT.



6? How do you get 6? Watson, Thomas, Brady, Kranchick. Are you considering Mills, who is more of an H-back than a true TE?



Stallworth, Caldwell, Gaffney and Washington are all on one year deals. That would leave the Pats with only Jackson and Welker going into the next off-season. I could see the Pats drafting a Meachum or Smith if they felt that they could contribute more long-term than the players currently on the team. Also, Washington and Gaffney are very easily cut because of the low cap hit they would cost the Patriots.

That being said, I would like to see a WR/PR/KR type player either drafted or taken as a UDFA. This is not anything against Welker, but a move to help keep Hobbs or Maroney from having to do the returning.



Think back to 2003. The Pats drafted Warren though they still had Hamilton. The Pats could draft someone like Carriker to groom behind Warren and Seymour and help with the rotation more. Mike Wright and Jarvis Green are very tradeable commodities who could garner mid-draft picks in 2008. Also, I don't think it would be very hard to replace LeKevan Smith or Marquis Hill on the roster with someone more effective.



I agree that the Pats should draft an ILB. However, I believe it should be regardless of whether they are going to sign someone like Seau.

As for CB and Safety, I agree the Pats need to add more talent at CB. However, the Pats might be content with Mitchell and Hawkins backing up Wilson. And, with them giving Baker a 2 year deal, they may be comfortable with his play behind Harrison and Sanders. I would LOVE the Pats to add safeties because I believe there is talent to be had at the position through-out the draft.

Cousin,
You win. Most of what you say makes sense, BUT.....
O.K. I was considering Mills. I concede a TE but not a WTF in the first, agreed?
Unless we cut a Gaffney or a Washington (IMO think Gafney is the better between Caldwell and he and I think Brady will trust him more) a WR seems to bring on that DNP deal.
I concur on your ILB pic as needed regardless.
I see Baker as strictly an ST guy like Izzo and do not even consider him in a roster setting. Kinda like the emergency QB.
Smith or Hill could be roster casualties in 2007 anyway. I'd hate to have a Carriker sit for most of the year. I think the pick is a waste if they can't get someone to contribute immediately although that in not a BB M.O. Just think....They might have been holding back Hill!!!!!!

NOW TWO QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
1-Do we have anyone that is athletic enough to fit in a zone blocking deal other than maybe Neal (Mankins moves well but is this his forte?).

2_-Would you consider the rumored Browns offer of ILB Audra Davis and a sixth for Kaczur?
DW Toys