What’s Left To Do?

[rkarp1]

Actually, I had the number wrong. It was 38 receptions allowed on 63 targets for 60.3%. Not 60 targets..

To give some perspective. There were 220 Corners who took at least 1 Coverage snap in the NFL in 2024. The HIGHEST number of Coverage snaps in 2024 for a CB was 784 by Brandon Stephens. To weed out the players who didn't see a lot of snaps, I used PFF's 20% filter, which eliminated anyone with less than 156 coverage snaps.

That gave me 127 CBs who took at least 156 coverage snaps in the NFL. When I looked at the Pass Catch % after the filter, Jones was the 36th best with his 60.3%. That put's him in the top 3rd of the league.

Being in the top 30% is hardly "rough". It's better than average considering that there were 91 players who's percentage was worse than his.


Also. The 60.3% is an improvement over his rookie year when he posted a 64.9%.

People like @rkarp1 would have you believe that their EYE TEST is something magical and telling. It is. But not in a positive fashion for them. When you look at the facts, they prove that that he has not idea what he's talking about.

the facts are exactly what I stated
QB's had a 97 rating when targeting Marcus Jones
sorry if the facts hurt

 

[Ring 6]

the facts are exactly what I stated
QB's had a 97 rating when targeting Marcus Jones
sorry if the facts hurt

Qb rating is a terrible, novice grading system for QBs and 100 times worse for dbs.
With that in mind do you know what the average Qb rating is for a Qb? For a corner? For a nickel corner?
How do you account for VOLUME in a dbs qb rating? If a corner has a bad passer rating but gives up less than 1 catch per game, is he bad? Where do passer rating account for all of the plays you have the man blanketed and the throw goes somewhere else? Or the times you had good coverage but he pass rush allowed 8 seconds for the guy to get open? How about WR screens where you have opportunity to prevent completion? Etc etc etc

 

[rkarp1]

Qb rating is a terrible, novice grading system for QBs and 100 times worse for dbs.
With that in mind do you know what the average Qb rating is for a Qb? For a corner? For a nickel corner?
How do you account for VOLUME in a dbs qb rating? If a corner has a bad passer rating but gives up less than 1 catch per game, is he bad? Where do passer rating account for all of the plays you have the man blanketed and the throw goes somewhere else? Or the times you had good coverage but he pass rush allowed 8 seconds for the guy to get open? How about WR screens where you have opportunity to prevent completion? Etc etc etc

no metric is infallible.
no metric, included the one I cited, is absolute.
your points are very valid.
but the metric is an unbiased, comprehensive grade for players, knowing it is not with out glitches.
but nothing is perfect. for now, this is what we have. and the grade given to Marcus is not good for year 3.
certainly he is talented and could have a huge bounce back season. but I simply found teams were able to find him in mismatches and took advantage last year.

 

[State]

The most important elements are in place: coaching (except the sick DC), QB, and solid ownership. The off season was a great success. Most of the holes have been filled with the exception of a young stud TE and a nickel CB to compete with tiny, injury-prone Marcus Jones.

Offensive tackles should be all set, baring injuries. A rookie LT with the shortest wing span ever recorded at that position will have obstacles to overcome. He’s got the perfect upbringing and character to do it.

As a side note, Vedarian Lowe’s wingspan is at the other end of the percentile, 100.

If Morgan Moses goes down with injury, then Drake Maye’s health is at grave risk. Wallace won’t hold the line.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Pats sign Leverette, as the 9th OL on the depth chart, to a contract with $575k guaranteed, and Wozzy talks about him like he got Agholor or Jonnu money

That’s because he can’t make his argument with real points, so he just throws **** at the wall and hopes it sticks.

 

[Wozzy]

That’s because he can’t make his argument with real points, so he just throws **** at the wall and hopes it sticks.

You were undoubtedly one of the geniuses here who also argued Okorafor, Leverett and Jordan were good signings along with Rkarp. That aged like milk.

 

[Wozzy]

Qb rating is a terrible, novice grading system for QBs and 100 times worse for dbs.
With that in mind do you know what the average Qb rating is for a Qb? For a corner? For a nickel corner?
How do you account for VOLUME in a dbs qb rating? If a corner has a bad passer rating but gives up less than 1 catch per game, is he bad? Where do passer rating account for all of the plays you have the man blanketed and the throw goes somewhere else? Or the times you had good coverage but he pass rush allowed 8 seconds for the guy to get open? How about WR screens where you have opportunity to prevent completion? Etc etc etc

Rkarp also uses QB Rating as the meteic
to argue why “Mac Jones is good. Nevermind his 2 turnover per game average…. laughable.

 

[Ring 6]

no metric is infallible.
no metric, included the one I cited, is absolute.
your points are very valid.
but the metric is an unbiased, comprehensive grade for players, knowing it is not with out glitches.
but nothing is perfect. for now, this is what we have. and the grade given to Marcus is not good for year 3.
certainly he is talented and could have a huge bounce back season. but I simply found teams were able to find him in mismatches and took advantage last year.

So you accept that passer rating against a cornerback is probably the most flawed metric that exists, yet you cling to it.
Jones allowed under 3 catches a game for under 40 yards a game.
You would need to find the most convoluted and flawed statistic possible to argue that is bad.
Congrats you found a way.

You are wrong.

 

[rkarp1]

So you accept that passer rating against a cornerback is probably the most flawed metric that exists, yet you cling to it.
Jones allowed under 3 catches a game for under 40 yards a game.
You would need to find the most convoluted and flawed statistic possible to argue that is bad.
Congrats you found a way.

You are wrong.

yet game vs Seattle Jones allowed 6 rcpts against 9 targets for 62 yds
in 2 games against the Jets he allowed 11 rcpts against 15 targets for 189 yds
in 2 games against the Phins he allowed 10 rcpts against 13 targets for 127 yards

Marcus played 7 games that he was targeted 3 times or less. those 7 games resulted in 17 targets allowing 10 rcpts.
Marcus played 7 games with 4 or more targets against. those 7 games resulted in 48 targets allowing 31 rcpts.

Like I said, Marcus was often picked on and when he was, he showed poorly
sorry

 

[Clonamery]

You were undoubtedly one of the geniuses here who also argued Okorafor, Leverett and Jordan were good signings along with Rkarp. That aged like milk.

C'mon man. Perfectly set up for the master burn and that's all you got? That was as flat as aged milk.

See what I mean, it just lays there. You're better than that, take a layer of skin off...That aged like rkarp1's grandmother's breast milk.

Anything. I mean, what are we paying you for?

 

[rkarp1]

You were undoubtedly one of the geniuses here who also argued Okorafor, Leverett and Jordan were good signings along with Rkarp. That aged like milk.

learn the difference between good signing and good player
all 3 were low risk high reward signings
all cheap, all having played a lot elsewhere.
all worthwhile shots

 

[rkarp1]

C'mon man. Perfectly set up for the master burn and that's all you got? That was as flat as aged milk.

See what I mean, it just lays there. You're better than that, take a layer skin off...That aged like rkarp1's grandmother's breast milk.

Anything. I mean, what are we paying you for?

I am certainly not paying for this guy to follow me around and twist and cherry pick what I post to make it fit his agenda.
other than Charley Casserly and Mike Lombardi, no one has been more wrong than Wozzy

 

[Ring 6]

yet game vs Seattle Jones allowed 6 rcpts against 9 targets for 62 yds
in 2 games against the Jets he allowed 11 rcpts against 15 targets for 189 yds
in 2 games against the Phins he allowed 10 rcpts against 13 targets for 127 yards

Marcus played 7 games that he was targeted 3 times or less. those 7 games resulted in 17 targets allowing 10 rcpts.
Marcus played 7 games with 4 or more targets against. those 7 games resulted in 48 targets allowing 31 rcpts.

Like I said, Marcus was often picked on and when he was, he showed poorly
sorry

In 9 of 14 games he allowed less than 30 yards. That is excellent play by a corner. You seem to not realize that if the ball is thrown to the man you are covering that’s the definition if good coverage.

 

[Ring 6]

learn the difference between good signing and good player
all 3 were low risk high reward signings
all cheap, all having played a lot elsewhere.
all worthwhile shots

They sucked. They were not good signings. In no world was a guy signed to start who plays 12 snaps and quits on the team a good signing.

 

[Ring 6]

Rkarp also uses QB Rating as the meteic
to argue why “Mac Jones is good. Nevermind his 2 turnover per game average…. laughable.

Cmon he cant seriously argue Mac jones is good, don’t defame him like that

 

[rkarp1]

They sucked. They were not good signings. In no world was a guy signed to start who plays 12 snaps and quits on the team a good signing.

Jordan played well early on. he then fell off the table
Leverette was not good
Okorafor, again, was not good. I never said he was good. I posted in August it appeared his head and heart were not in the game. But Okorafor has played well in the past, when motivated. he earned a big 2nd contract with Pitts. could he get be that player again?
obviously not here.
cost the team less than $1m to find out.

 

[rkarp1]

Cmon he can seriously argue Mac jones is good, don’t defame him like that

again, twisting and cherry picking
I said Mac played well in his rookie season
I also said, Mac has played really well in some games since, and really poorly in others.
I have posted repeatedly, Mac's time is short to show he can play in the league, like Darnold and Baker have done, after 2,3 even 4 teams.

How Woozy gets to "he said Mac is good" is beyond me

 

[Clonamery]

again, twisting and cherry picking
I said Mac played well in his rookie season
I also said, Mac has played really well in some games since, and really poorly in others.
I have posted repeatedly, Mac's time is short to show he can play in the league, like Darnold and Baker have done, after 2,3 even 4 teams.

How Woozy gets to "he said Mac is good" is beyond me

Don't worry, it's not like you're paying for the right to be mocked like some of us.

 

[Ring 6]

Jordan played well early on. he then fell off the table
Leverette was not good
Okorafor, again, was not good. I never said he was good. I posted in August it appeared his head and heart were not in the game. But Okorafor has played well in the past, when motivated. he earned a big 2nd contract with Pitts. could he get be that player again?
obviously not here.
cost the team less than $1m to find out.

Jordan stunk all season.

Finish your statement. Okorafor was a terrible signing. You listed all the reasons why but apparently still want to call it a good signing?

 

[Wozzy]

learn the difference between good signing and good player
all 3 were low risk high reward signings
all cheap, all having played a lot elsewhere.
all worthwhile shots

A bad free agent signing at any price is a bad signing genius.