NFL GAME DAY DISCUSSION Week 17: NFL Other Games

[cmasspatsfan]

Yep, this is my understanding as well. I don't think it has to be an overwhelmingly hard hit. It has to be a sufficient amount of force, but nothing unimaginable.

When I was a kid, probably around age 10 (this would have been the 2004-2006 timeframe) I played club soccer. I was at a tournament and heard about a goalkeeper who suffered commotio cordis (he died, if I remember correclty). I believe it was due to a collision with another player where he took a head to the chest.

I didn't personally witness it, but this was a youth tournament, so it's not as if these were large, fully grown adults throwing their bodies around. I can't imagine it was a ton of force, but apparently enough to cause CC.

I was playing pickup football 5 or so years ago and my buddy lowered his shoulder, drilled me right over the heart. Took the wind out of me. I was aware of CC well before then (because of that soccer tournament) and felt pretty nervous for the next hour or two after that collision. I remember researching the timeframe for CC onset and when you're out of the woods. I think it's generally pretty quick, anywhere from seconds to several minutes. Maybe it can occur longer after the initial impact.

I still think it's a possibility this was related to an underlying health condition and not CC, but CC has to be atop the list of likely explanations at this point in time.

I was reading earlier that it happens more with youth baseball players, probably because the pitchers are wilder and hit more batters and the odds of hitting one at just the right time increases. But most of the kids don't throw very hard so I don't think it has to be too hard a hit, it was just a freak thing that happened last night, fortunately the NFL is prepared with medical personnel and this kid might be alright.

 

[yukon cornelius]

I’d bet that there would be a different response, not just timeframe and public expressions, if it happened live on camera before an audience of millions, than if it happened on a gloomy foggy off-season rainy day with no witnesses.

i'd like to think so, but......

 

[Jim Beankie]

On Twitter, if you're not acting like a sociopath then you are a sociopath. Only actual sociopaths don't pretend to be sociopaths to placate other pretend sociopaths.

25 years ago, I had a coworker have what looked like a heart attack literally right across the desk from me (similar to The Office setup with a mesh wall) while I was on the phone resolving an issue for a customer. There were others who were thankfully assisting because I was in full Office Space - Peter at the Hypnotherapist's mode. I think he might've fainted. Had to all meet later to talk about our feelings getting stress cards and everything, and I just didn't really care. Figured he'd be fine. Thankfully, we're still in the same company and still alive. He probably a panic attack, which I know can be a pretty serious deal, though. It was one of those times that made me question my sociopathy. Thankfully, I'm not one...

 

[Jim Beankie]

I read that last night and thought what the heck is he talking about? I was expecting him to say, "This is the dude on drugs. Any questions?"

 

[DaBruinz]

totally forgot about this....

I remembered that someone in the NHL had it happen, I just couldn't find who. I did find the kid in Jr. Hockey who died from being hit by a puck on his chest.
Also, it seemed that it happened to Lacrosse goalies enough that they changed their pads to include chest protection farther down the chest so that the heart area was covered.

 

[yukon cornelius]

I remembered that someone in the NHL had it happen, I just couldn't find who. I did find the kid in Jr. Hockey who died from being hit by a puck on his chest.
Also, it seemed that it happened to Lacrosse goalies enough that they changed their pads to include chest protection farther down the chest so that the heart area was covered.

yeah, evo shield and others began making protective shirts for baseball & softball pitchers, too.....i've seen some softball pitchers get creamed.....the issue with lacrosse goalies is that they were actively attempting to put their bodies in harms way, so the chances of a direct hit like that are greater.....

softball pitchers especially have very little time to react, but i've rarely seen one take a shot without some twisting/attempt to move out of the way......save for one girl who took a head shot two summers back

 

[Jim Beankie]

The problem with saying this is that it implies that we have any effect on what happens to Hamlin. The guy is already in the hospital getting care. What does it matter what us random people out in the world are discussing? Why do we need to say that "his health is what matters most" - we're not his doctors...

It's like some kind of weird dogma lol. "Only thoughts and prayers allowed! If you talk about anything besides thoughts and prayers and the health of this man you don't know, your bad behavior will somehow impact the course of fate and make his health worsen! If only Bobby McSmith in Rhode Island hadn't talked to his friends about when the game might resume, Hamlin would've made it, but thanks to Bobby the outlook is grim."

Even before Covid, I always thought about the fact that 2 people died every second. Why should this football player get more attention than the 100 people that died while I typed this message? That doesn't include the who knows how many who are close to death's door for unfair reasons.

 

[Jim Beankie]

With that said, this is bigger than football and Hamlin’s health is more important than the game.

Retweet.

You forgot that it's unprecedented except for those precedents.

 

[venecol]

Even before Covid, I always thought about the fact that 2 people died every second. Why should this football player get more attention than the 100 people that died while I typed this message? That doesn't include the who knows how many who are close to death's door for unfair reasons.

Probably because:

A. 20M people were watching while he was being brought back from death;
B. These things shouldn't happen to 24 yo perfectly healthy athletic young men;
C. The shear drama of the event.

I know people that don't watch football that are talking about it.

 

[Ross12]

Even before Covid, I always thought about the fact that 2 people died every second. Why should this football player get more attention than the 100 people that died while I typed this message? That doesn't include the who knows how many who are close to death's door for unfair reasons.

Right. I don’t know. And he hasn’t died, he’s just in critical condition. I’m not sure what makes this situation so much more “holy” than everything else.

 

[Jim Beankie]

Right. I don’t know. And he hasn’t died, he’s just in critical condition. I’m not sure what makes this situation so much more “holy” than everything else.

I also shouldn't post while I'm a lightweight and 4 drinks in.

 

[Ross12]

Probably because:

A. 20M people were watching while he was being brought back from death;
B. These things shouldn't happen to 24 yo perfectly healthy athletic young men;
C. The shear drama of the event.

I know people that don't watch football that are talking about it.

Perhaps he wasn’t perfectly healthy, may have been a heart defect that wasn’t caught or a complication caused by a medication or other treatment. Seems to mainly just be because it was televised.

 

[Ross12]

I agree wholeheartedly. Even if I am Bills Mafia for a night I’m outraged at anyone else being presumptuous and speaking for me about it.

If we are all Bills Mafia then let’s all start jumping through folding tables.

 

[venecol]

Perhaps he wasn’t perfectly healthy, may have been a heart defect that wasn’t caught or a complication caused by a medication or other treatment. Seems to mainly just be because it was televised.

He was healthy enough to have gone through peewee, HS, college and almost 2 seasons of NFL football w/o anything like this happening. I mean, you had grown ass NFL players bawling & ex-NFL players holding back tears over what they were watching.

Love you Ross, but you have ice water running through your veins my brother.

 

[Ross12]

He was healthy enough to have gone through peewee, HS, college and almost 2 seasons of NFL football w/o anything like this happening. I mean, you had grown ass NFL players bawling & ex-NFL players holding back tears over what they were watching.

Love you Ross, but you have ice water running through your veins my brother.

Yeah man, I can definitely understand the players struggling with it right now. I mainly just take issue with people who demand that it grips our public consciousness. I guess it is probably just a small example of a larger overall issue and this is just the latest iteration.

 

[bormio]

Yeah man, I can definitely understand the players struggling with it right now. I mainly just take issue with people who demand that it grips our public consciousness. I guess it is probably just a small example of a larger overall issue and this is just the latest iteration.

You are a braver man than I, but I agree with you

 

[venecol]

Yeah man, I can definitely understand the players struggling with it right now. I mainly just take issue with people who demand that it grips our public consciousness. I guess it is probably just a small example of a larger overall issue and this is just the latest iteration.

Who are these people? It's clear that the football community; both teams/players and fans are rallying around Hamlin and praying for his recovery. There are thousands that have chosen to donate $$ to his charity. There are millions of people that are ignoring this story, either because they're busy with life or don't care that much about it. Others are choosing to go public and be negative about the story or Hamlin himself.

You can choose to handle this however you want. Are these people, twitter or SM? Just ignore it. Maybe I'm missing something.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

It's like a tweet from a 3 year old

I don't think it was well-executed, but I think Curran's point is "If you're going to remember an image of Hamlin, let it be this image of a smiling, happy Hamlin, not the traumatic one of him collapsing to the ground."

 

[ctpatsfan77]

It is a bit surprising that commotio cordis has not happened before in the long history of the NFL. Keep in mind that this type of injury does NOT necessarily require a pre-existing cardiac arrhythmia or structural abnormality. Basically its the equivalent of taking a sledge hammer with impact directly over the heart, triggering sudden ventricular arrhythmia and severe acute circulation deficiency to heart and brain

It probably did happen decades ago; keep in mind that the reason we have the forward pass is that in 1905 more than a dozen players died in one year, and Teddy Roosevelt threatened to ban the game if it wasn't made safer.

The reason it's so rare is that it has to happen in just the right way, with a certain amount of force, at just the right moment in the cardiac cycle.

 

[TBR]

Right. I don’t know. And he hasn’t died, he’s just in critical condition. I’m not sure what makes this situation so much more “holy” than everything else.

There's definitely an odd, bit of contrived reverence over the whole thing. Did you see the Bengals fan last night who whipped out a sharpie and drew a sign "Prayers For Damar" and stood still holding it until ESPN put him on camera? That was just painfully inauthentic.