Patriots Pregame Thread Week 16: Pats @ Bills. Only 3 games left of this dumpster fire

[Real fan 02]

If this is a 40 point blowout you could actually see movement in Mayo based on how the media has reported on this narrative this week.

I still don't think he gets fired but we're doing a massive disservice to Maye by firing the OC this year, known that if next year goes horrendous (almost certainly will) that you're during Mayo and thus hiring a coach who's going to bring in his own coordinators.

That would be what? 8 new OC in 8 seasons? That is the very definition of a franchise that is incompetent.

Get it all out of the way now. And cut the nonsense with Vrabel. Without prime Henry, I'd like to see how his NFL career would of gone.

We need someone who is from the offensive side of the ball. It's time.

Agreed .. AVP feels like he's going to unjustly be the fall guy. For example I've mentioned before. The defensive side of the ball is the biggest failure. All the coaches are BB disciples as players and coaches. Even with the guys that were out there still should have been a better displaying on defense they have been horrendous. Should they move on from AVP they should elevate TC Mc Cartney who's quietly in the background the QB coach who's responsible for drakes development. The change needs to be made at DC. Either hire a senior advisor to covington or hire a polished DC altogether.

 

[Salsalife]

Oh by the way Thuney is KC's starting left tackle...

 

[Ross12]

10 out of the Pats' 14 opponents so far have losing records. Only 3 teams have a winning record (Texans, Rams, Seahawks). Their next 3 games are all against teams with winning records. The teams they've beaten are the Bengals (6-8), the Bears (4-10) and the Jets (3-11). 2 out of those 3 wins were by less than 1 score.

Their combined win/loss records of their opponents so far is 80-117 (.406 strength of schedule)

Their combined win/loss records for the remaining opponents is 31-12 (.721 strength of schedule)

The Bills and Chargers both have better records than any teams the Patriots have faced for their entire season thus far.

 

[KCSVEN]

10 out of the Pats' 14 opponents so far have losing records. Only 3 teams have a winning record (Texans, Rams, Seahawks). Their next 3 games are all against teams with winning records. The teams they've beaten are the Bengals (6-8), the Bears (4-10) and the Jets (3-11). 2 out of those 3 wins were by less than 1 score.

Their combined win/loss records of their opponents so far is 80-117 (.406 strength of schedule)

Their combined win/loss records for the remaining opponents is 31-12 (.721 strength of schedule)

The Bills and Chargers both have better records than any teams the Patriots have faced for their entire season thus far.

I'm beginning to think the Patriots Stink?

I wonder what the Bills backups record would have been? We might be playing them the last game.

 

[p8ryts]

I'm beginning to think the Patriots Stink?

I wonder what the Bills backups record would have been? We might be playing them the last game.

If the last game, at home, is played against Bills second team, and the Patriots should win! There will be people on this site losing their mind if it impacts their draft position. Suicide watch!!!

 

[Stu Pidassle]

Hyperbole. There are other pieces that would be complementary to a well coached and fundamentally sound team.

BUT there is a need for another couple (3-4 five tool leading players) key pieces - I won't disagree there, but the "burn it all down" meme is just that - a sound bite. You need guys like Schooler, as a led special teamer like Tavai in the right role of run based early down gap filler, like Wise as part of a rotation of DL, like Duggar as a hybrid near the line safety, etc but they have to be role players instead of the key pieces themselves.

The talent level across NFL teams is very small. The worst teams are undisciplined and inconsistent. Better teams find a way to play as a sum of their parts and lose when other teams beat them, they don't beat themselves. Great teams have the talent advantage at a few key positions and coaching capable of taking advantage of those players. Even this years team could flirt with a .500 record if they were individual players were in the position to play at the best of their ability. No doubt the Pats need an infusion of talent, throwing out useful players to clean house does not help.

 

[Ross12]

If the last game, at home, is played against Bills second team, and the Patriots should win! There will be people on this site losing their mind if it impacts their draft position. Suicide watch!!!

Bills 2nd string skill players:

QB: Mitch Trubisky
RB: Ray Davis / Ty Johnson
WR: Mack Hollins / Khalil Shakir
TE: Dawson Knox

Yeah, I think the Pats would still lose to that group.

 

[Thelonious]

The two most telling things about the Mayo controversy are first that those who are comfortable with keeping him on always adopt the rhetoric," I'm not making excuses, but" and then go one to offer all kind of excuses: the roster, it's a year early, good teams don't fire bad coaches (the most asinine argument), he'll grow into the job, and other assorted horseshit. The second feature of the discussion is that if you ask for any evidence that Mayo is good at the job, or ask in what areas - specifically - he has improved his performance or the team's, or ask for any empirical evidence that he has what it takes to "grow into the job," you never hear a damned thing.

I've been disappointed or baffled by the teams decisions in the past, but if they don;t get the Mayo thing right, I'm gonna be pissed, because this is ********. Hopefully the lose the rest of the games, andthat the losses build pressure on the Krafts to pull their heads back out into the sunshine and start cranking out the pink slips.

 

[Thelonious]

If the last game, at home, is played against Bills second team, and the Patriots should win! There will be people on this site losing their mind if it impacts their draft position. Suicide watch!!!

If you don't care about the team's draft position, you are the one who has lost his mind.

 

[Real fan 02]

The talent level across NFL teams is very small. The worst teams are undisciplined and inconsistent. Better teams find a way to play as a sum of their parts and lose when other teams beat them, they don't beat themselves. Great teams have the talent advantage at a few key positions and coaching capable of taking advantage of those players. Even this years team could flirt with a .500 record if they were individual players were in the position to play at the best of their ability. No doubt the Pats need an infusion of talent, throwing out useful players to clean house does not help.

If you take notice.. the last few seasons.. losing has permeated a culture amongst the players. I believe the players train hard and do thier best to prepare themselves to the rigors of an NFL season. Everyone has different levels of talent in the NFL. When you ask guys that are undrafted or late round picks to be starting caliber players there needs to be coaching and strategic game plans to nor expose them. We've had none of wich this season. When you see the players laughing and joking on the sidelines and post games It's becuase they have had a losing culture.

 

[patriotsdynasty12189]

@sb1 - I needed to get a variant with Orchid Bob - "Tuh-nigh... we are all shampionsh!"

LMFAO

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

You’d think they would have wanted to meet to discuss this stuff right away. Bill would have held EXTRA meetings after a performance like that, not canceled meetings.

After watching what happens after a Bye week with extra meetings and practice, maybe Mayo should have given the players the whole week off.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

If the last game, at home, is played against Bills second team, and the Patriots should win! There will be people on this site losing their mind if it impacts their draft position. Suicide watch!!!

Draft position is an asset. You don't want the Pats to have the greatest assets possible?

 

[Real fan 02]

After watching what happens after a Bye week with extra meetings and practice, maybe Mayo should have given the players the whole week off.

Bill was meticulous, attention to detail.. he thrived off finding any little thing to give his team advantages.. Mayo knows this, and was grown-up in this.. nothing wrong with a HC being himself but to me feels like he's ignored everything learned under Bill and it shows each week.

 

[Real fan 02]

Draft position is an asset. You don't want the Pats to have the greatest assets possible?

I think we likely are going to end up #2 or #3..

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I think we likely are going to end up #2 or #3..

It is hard to see how the Giants can win. The Raiders can easily beat the Jags at home.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Will we see the blank Mayo stare on the sidelines today?

 

[Salsalife]

Will we see the blank Mayo stare on the sidelines today?

Dam right you will. The stare, zero reaction to the reactor meltdown. No anger, no visible struggle, no coach chew outs. A players coach and Thunder loves it...

 

[The Gr8est]

Will we see the blank Mayo stare on the sidelines today?

Is the game televised?

 

[turkeyneck]

Is the game televised?

CBS late game in most places

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