Patriots Daily News Thread Wednesday Patriots News Thread 8/21

[PatsFan2]

Wallace getting Starters reps is fine with me he has more upside anyway.

 

[Fuzz]

Patriots release veteran DT ahead of cutdown day

The Patriots must get their roster down to 53 players by Tuesday.

www.masslive.com

Purcell was brought in after Christian Barmore was diagnosed with blood clots. With no timetable for his return, New England needed some depth at the position. The veteran defensive tackle was playing behind Davon Godchaux, Jeremiah Pharms, Daniel Ekuale and Trysten Hill during training camp.​

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Purcell had a brief stint with New England in 2017 when he was signed to the team’s practice squad in October. He was released a day later before re-signing to the practice squad that November. The 33-year-old was released for a second time a few weeks later.​

At 3 weeks, he still lasted longer than his two previous stints with the Patriots of 1 day and 2 weeks.

 

[Grogan14]

It holds water. You are being pedantic. Are they going to get sued? No - you are right.

The Pats are not required to upgrade their locker room, weight room, or family room. RK said he had no idea the players were dissatisfied. But the Pats did it. Why? Because of the preception. Same thing in this case. Are they legally required to spend to just over the limit? Yes. Did they spend over the minumum limit? Yes. Why? Because spending right over the limit is obviously "being cheap". So they went 10% over the limit. It is the same thing.

Why the hell did Kraft have no idea about this? A competent owner knows what the players think about the franchise top to bottom every year.
Terrible look for Kraft

 

[mgteich]

Why the hell did Kraft have no idea about this? A competent owner knows what the players think about the franchise top to bottom every year.
Terrible look for Kraft

I suspect that you don't think that there are many competent owners in the NFL.

 

[DaBruinz]

Saving money just for the sake of saving money is the best way to be at the bottom of the league. Who will win more games this year, the Pats of the JETS?

I don't know. I'm not Ms. F'in CLEO. The Jets have their own issues with that turd Rogers, the Injury prone Tyron Smith and now Fashanu has come up with an injury..

The Pats aren't "saving money for the sake of saving money". They are being WISE in how they spend it. You're acting like the Pats haven't tried to spend money this year. You're acting like they should just dump a ton of money on players and not try building a team..

The BEST LT available was Trent "I can't control my weight" Brown. After that it was mediocre..

The Pats paid top dollar for Onwenu.

The Pats spend a TON of money on players such as Henry, Barmore, Dugger, Godchaux, etc.

They made an excellent offer for Aiyuk and he rebuffed them.. As a result, he's stuck in San Fran where he doesn't want to be. I'm GLAD he did. Because that means the Pats can focus on Thornton, Baker, Polk and Douglas. I'm hoping that Osborn and Boutte round out the 6 WRs on the team with Bourne on the PUP.

Maybe do a bit more research and a little less complaining for a change. You're as bad as Stone, State, and Patsfans2..

 

[DaBruinz]

It still applies. Of course they did not stop at the absolute minimum. Why do they have so much cap space in '24, '25, and '26?

Because the Pats have so many YOUNG players on rookie contracts/1st year deals

2024 - Patriots have 90 under contract, 43 of whom are on Rookie/1st year deals.
2025 - Patriots have 50 people under contract, 30 of whom are on their 1st.
2026 - Patriots have 41 under contract. 29 of whom are on their 1st contract.

We KNOW that there aren't going to be 43 rookies on the team this year.. Once the top 51 stops being in place, the space is going to change. As is what the Pats end up using due to bonuses and such..

The Pats also have $39M in dead money this year that gets freed up next year.

 

[DaBruinz]

It holds water. You are being pedantic. Are they going to get sued? No - you are right.

The Pats are not required to upgrade their locker room, weight room, or family room. RK said he had no idea the players were dissatisfied. But the Pats did it. Why? Because of the preception. Same thing in this case. Are they legally required to spend to just over the limit? Yes. Did they spend over the minumum limit? Yes. Why? Because spending right over the limit is obviously "being cheap". So they went 10% over the limit. It is the same thing.

YOU are the one being pedantic. And flat out ridiculous. Not to mention complete wrong.

Kraft knew about the players being dissatisfied after the survey came out. It has nothing to do with "perception". It has everything to do with the players being f'in jaded and thinking that certain things need to be upgraded every couple of years regardless of reality.

As for the cap, The Pats regularly spent over the limit and not just by 10%. The issue here is your lack of understanding of the Salary Cap.

Do you understand how many players 30+ the Pats chose not to re-sign, cut, had retire, or they traded:
Judon (32)
Phillips (32)
Guy (34)
McDemott (31)
Slater (38)
Cody Davis (35)
Mills (30)
Trent Brown (31)
Pharoah Brown (30)
Devante Parker (31)
James Ferentz (35)
Riley Reiff (35)

Do you understand what the MINIMUM Salary is for those players vs. a Rookie this year?

As I pointed out, the Pats have 43 players on rookie deals or 1st year player deals. So that's going to leave a LOT of cap space. With the way singing bonus amortization works, they get to pay good signing bonuses with minimal impact.

Let's look at the guys who got extensions and what their 1st year cap hit is:
Onwenu - $10.9M (3yr/57M)
Henry -$5.3M (3yr/$27M)
Jennings - $3.56M (3yr/$12M)
Dugger - $7.5M (4yr/$58M)
Stevenson - $4.9M (4yr/$36M)
Godchaux - $9.63M (2yr/$18M)
Barmore - $6.3M (4yr/$84M)
Tavai - $3.45M (3yr/$16M)
Peppers -$6.97M (3yr/$25M)

Some of them have lower cap hits, like Barmore, because it's a true extension and amortized over 5 years. Others, like Henry, had a decent singing bonus and guaranteed salary for the 1st 2 years.

Also, the Pats have to leave money for LTBE bonuses. Not to mention the 52nd and 53rd players, the 16 practice squad players, the players on PUP/NFI and the 3 players who have already gone onto IR and anyone whom they think might be IRed at Cut down. I think Miguel has this number at $15M.. Not to mention the money they'll likely spend during the season for IR and such..

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Actually it doesn't apply even if we move beyond the silly hyperbole of doubling in one year to no activity In a prior year:

1. Large companies often delay spending cash reserves for more than a year to take advantage of market-timing issues or synergies gained via strategic timing/coordination of efforts.

2. Spending should refect the level of talent being pursued and signed and not some fan boy's need to spend cap dollars.

3 You're comparing an ambiguous company that I would assume is in a relatively free market to a team in the NFL that operates within the rules and frameworks of the NFL, which is far from a free market. The NFL rules and framework, including the rookie pool and salary cap, incentivizes and rewards teams to build via the draft as opposed to via free agency, especially for long term (not one off) success.

This, especially for rebuilding teams, can create timing issues between cap/cash spending and supporting/developing young core talent. Smart teams will try to add to and maximize their draft capital, they'll resign their best players, and then will augment the team via smart FA acquisitions. Sometimes this means they'll have a decent cap carryover to the next season. We'll have to agree to disagree.

We don't need to agree to disagree. I agree with most of what you said.

Any analogy can be ripped to shreds. That is why they are called analogies.

 

[Zuma]

 

[Ross12]

So only a smidge of practice time left... then the preseason game on Sunday... and then they determine QB1 on Monday? So does Drake have to "win" the job in the game itself or is it already decided?

 

[Zuma]

So only a smidge of practice time left... then the preseason game on Sunday... and then they determine QB1 on Monday? So does Drake have to "win" the job in the game itself or is it already decided?

Good questions all. I wonder if the Lowe injury is a factor as well. Will be interesting to see what happens.