Tyrod Taylor to the Browns for a 3rd

[Kontradiction]

Does this mean to suggest you don't? If not, why not?

Because he’s head and shoulders the best QB in the draft. But you don’t watch college ball at all, so it makes sense that you would compare him to Manziel if you’re just reading/hearing about him second hand instead of actually watching his games.

 

[zoostation]

I can't tell if what the Browns are doing is genius or completely idiotic. They had tons of picks and cap space, so they spend both at the same time via trading for expensive vets.

If said subject is the Beleiveland Clowns my advice would be go with the latter.

 

[zoostation]

Plus Rodgers is known to recruit
Brady doesn't get into that much
It is what it is
Maybe we can get off our ass and make a effort
To improve the D

When you say 'we' do you mean you and TB off the couch recruiting together...or do you mean you, Nick and Bill getting off the couch and flying to Seattle?

 

[zoostation]

Think of all the fun he'll miss out on...

Buffalo Reporter: Rob, what did you think of the object that the fans through at Tom Brady.
Gronk: We scored on the next play, so I'm pretty sure they were throwing it at the Bills

Only in Buffalo Billdo land.

 

[Love The Drake]

When you say 'we' do you mean you and TB off the couch recruiting together...or do you mean you, Nick and Bill getting off the couch and flying to Seattle?

A little of columm A and a little of Columm B

 

[PWRxWLF]

Sitting on the bench and learning from Tyrod Taylor isn't the same as sitting on the bench and learning from Tom Brady.

Ah, I see. You’re absolutely right. Because as we all know, unless you’ve got Brady, Brees or Rodgers as your QB, giving a young player time to develop is a waste of time.

 

[primetime]

Taylor's a fine quarterback to play while a guy like Mayfield or Darnold (who I suspect will be the pick) sits for a year behind him. It's likely he's going to have a supporting cast with Josh Gordon, Corey Coleman, Jarvis Landry, and maybe Saquon Barkley, with Joe Thomas guarding his backside. That's better than he ever had in Buffalo, even when Watkins and McCoy were both healthy.

This was a far better decision than dumping money in the lap of Case Keenum or AJ McCarron or someone like that to be a caretaker.

 

[Tunescribe]

Because he’s head and shoulders the best QB in the draft. But you don’t watch college ball at all, so it makes sense that you would compare him to Manziel if you’re just reading/hearing about him second hand instead of actually watching his games.

And Ryan Leaf was considered by many "head and shoulders the best QB" in HIS draft. Mayfield has glaring shortcomings in the areas of maturity, professionalism and leadership, which makes your assessment suspect. There even is documented speculation among NFL scouts and observers that he won't go in the first round. But the Jete are hankerin' for a rookie QB savior and I'd rather see them bring Mayfield into that kind of pressure with Big Apple distractions than someone more poised.

 

[Simpelton]

Sitting on the bench and learning from Tyrod Taylor isn't the same as sitting on the bench and learning from Tom Brady.

No it's not, but at the very least it will give the young QB time to learn the offense and familiarize himself with his receivers in practice. Learning the NFL game at NFL practice speeds for a year before having to do it for real can make a big difference all on its own.

And Tyrod Taylor isn't a great QB but he's not hot garbage. He's somewhere in the middle 15 of NFL quarterbacks, average by definition. He's not going to carry the Browns to the playoffs but he ought to at least be up to the task of preventing the Browns from going 0-16 this year and help build the team's confidence a bit during the transition.

 

[primetime]

No it's not, but at the very least it will give the young QB time to learn the offense and familiarize himself with his receivers in practice. Learning the NFL game at NFL practice speeds for a year before having to do it for real can make a big difference all on its own.

And Tyrod Taylor isn't a great QB but he's not hot garbage. He's somewhere in the middle 15 of NFL quarterbacks, average by definition. He's not going to carry the Browns to the playoffs but he ought to at least be up to the task of preventing the Browns from going 0-16 this year and help build the team's confidence a bit during the transition.

He carried the Bills to the playoffs. Taylor's no savior but he's a billion miles from the likes of Kizer and Hogan.

 

[nabwong]

Can we slip in a Jordan Richards to the Browns for a bag of rocks while they’re swamp with paperwork?

 

[Off The Grid]

And Ryan Leaf was considered by many "head and shoulders the best QB" in HIS draft. Mayfield has glaring shortcomings in the areas of maturity, professionalism and leadership, which makes your assessment suspect. There even is documented speculation among NFL scouts and observers that he won't go in the first round. But the Jete are hankerin' for a rookie QB savior and I'd rather see them bring Mayfield into that kind of pressure with Big Apple distractions than someone more poised.

Thanks for proving Kontra's point.

 

[Off The Grid]

Can we slip in a Jordan Richards to the Browns for a bag or rocks while they’re swamp with paperwork?

I don't believe that CleveLand's new management is that stupid...

But I like your thinking!!

 

[Tunescribe]

Thanks for proving Kontra's point.

Uh-huh, that's cute. A pity you don't know enough about it yourself to offer anything of relevance beyond snarky quips.

 

[Kontradiction]

And Ryan Leaf was considered by many "head and shoulders the best QB" in HIS draft. Mayfield has glaring shortcomings in the areas of maturity, professionalism and leadership, which makes your assessment suspect. There even is documented speculation among NFL scouts and observers that he won't go in the first round. But the Jete are hankerin' for a rookie QB savior and I'd rather see them bring Mayfield into that kind of pressure with Big Apple distractions than someone more poised.

Well, if I didn’t already know that you didn’t follow college football at all, I certainly would now. Questioning the kid’s leadership and the ability to play in big spots under pressure kind of give that away. Not that the Manziel comparison didn’t already. The comparison is ridiculous for multiple reasons. One being that Manziel had a clear substance abuse problem starting in college while Baker does not. Another being that Manziel only threw 8 less INTs in spite of being a college starter for two full seasons less and being in a run-first offense under Sumlin. Another being that Manziel basically walked onto campus as a golden god from day one while Mayfield had to walk on and earn his playing time. Another being that Mayfield can strike at any level of the field while Manziel was limited in his throws even at the college level. But yeah, other than all that, they’re exactly alike.

Stick to analyzing draft reports for the Patriots picks after they’re drafted, Tune. No offense, but you’re out of your depth.

 

[NormZauchin]

Ah, I see. You’re absolutely right. Because as we all know, unless you’ve got Brady, Brees or Rodgers as your QB, giving a young player time to develop is a waste of time.

Typical of the type of responses often found on this website. I state, "sitting behind Taylor isn't the same as sitting behind Brady"; respondent equates my statement with sitting behind Taylor "is a waste of time."

 

[PWRxWLF]

Typical of the type of responses often found on this website. I state, "sitting behind Taylor isn't the same as sitting behind Brady"; respondent equates my statement with sitting behind Taylor "is a waste of time."

My mistake. I took your reply as you being a smart ass and implying that drafting a qb to develop behind Taylor was a waste of time. I mean, considering I never brought up Brady and your statement was a reply to mine and stating the obvious. So of course I took it the way I did.

 

[Kontradiction]

By all means, you haughty twit: share your "well-researched report" on Baker Mayfield with proof you're the one who wrote it. Why haven't you graced us with your acumen previously? Here all along you've been masquerading as a bad comedian when you actually KNOW things? Don't let your lowly opinion of me get in the way, others here might be interested.

Erm, he’s been a big contributor in the draft forum since he’s posted here. I’m pretty sure he’s shared his website on there as well...

NFL Draft Scouting Reports

Scroll down. He’s the second quarterback reviewed under Rudolph.

 

[Tunescribe]

Well, if I didn’t already know that you didn’t follow college football at all, I certainly would now. Questioning the kid’s leadership and the ability to play in big spots under pressure kind of give that away. Not that the Manziel comparison didn’t already. The comparison is ridiculous for multiple reasons. One being that Manziel had a clear substance abuse problem starting in college while Baker does not. Another being that Manziel only threw 8 less INTs in spite of being a college starter for two full seasons less and being in a run-first offense under Sumlin. Another being that Manziel basically walked onto campus as a golden god from day one while Mayfield had to walk on and earn his playing time. Another being that Mayfield can strike at any level of the field while Manziel was limited in his throws even at the college level. But yeah, other than all that, they’re exactly alike.

Stick to analyzing draft reports for the Patriots picks after they’re drafted, Tune. No offense, but you’re out of your depth.

Kontra, Mayfield as "Manziel 2.0" was obvious hyperbole, a side-by-side comparison of their college careers is unnecessary. But I'm sure you realize that quite a few people who prognosticate football for a living also have invoked Manziel's name discussing red flags in Mayfield's behavior. It hasn't been as extreme but exists nonetheless and arguably mitigates his draft capital. I'm far from the only one leery of him on that count. You think he's the best QB in the draft which is your opinion and that's fine, but most mocks I've seen have him ranked behind the likes of Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Falk, Rudolph -- around fifth or sixth.

Mayfield's game arguably is better than some of those guys even at his alleged height disadvantage. So why have so many pundits downgraded him? It could be that "bad boy" Mayfield can't help himself regardless. I saw an interview done with him before the Senior Bowl where he denied having serious character issues and candidly stated that he saw game week as his chance to set the record straight with NFL brass. Then he proceeded to shoot himself in the foot by obstinately blowing off a pro scout he was obligated to interview with.

Again, my ONLY point about Mayfield that started all this is if the Jets are going to draft a rookie QB in the first round, I'd rather it be someone with demonstrated maturity issues that potentially can be exacerbated by high-pressure expectations in the New York environment. This concept zoomed over OTG's head, perhaps unsurprisingly. He chose to ignorantly condescend and insult over it anyway vs. simply answering the question I asked him.

Erm, he’s been a big contributor in the draft forum since he’s posted here. I’m pretty sure he’s shared his website on there as well...

NFL Draft Scouting Reports

Scroll down. He’s the second quarterback reviewed under Rudolph.

That's it? That's all? Poorly written, pseudo-analytical contrived fanspeak and bloated conjecture parading as "insight" into what makes Mayfield a strong player. "Hey! The kid has skills! He sees the field, processes quickly, makes good decisions and throws accurately!" Eureka! (The next Drew Brees? That'll be fun to watch happen.) Nothing at all about his character issues and off-field challenges. The on-field stuff is apparent and appreciable but ain't the full monty.

All this said, no one knows for sure what kind of a pro Mayfield will become. He very well might get his head straight if he wants it bad enough and receives good mentoring, in which case he could excel.

 

[NormZauchin]

My mistake. I took your reply as you being a smart ass and implying that drafting a qb to develop behind Taylor was a waste of time. I mean, considering I never brought up Brady and your statement was a reply to mine and stating the obvious. So of course I took it the way I did.

The type of reply I might have expected would be something along the lines of "while being an understudy to Tyrod Taylor doesn't offer the same advantages that being an understudy to Tom Brady does, it is a far better situation than being thrown into a starter's role with the Browns." By the way, my one line statement could imply, if one were insane, that sitting on the bench learning from Taylor would be a better situation than being Brady's backup.