Tyrod Taylor to the Browns for a 3rd

[PWRxWLF]

The type of reply I might have expected would be something along the lines of "while being an understudy to Tyrod Taylor doesn't offer the same advantages that being an understudy to Tom Brady does, it is a far better situation than being thrown into a starter's role with the Browns." By the way, my one line statement could imply, if one were insane, that sitting on the bench learning from Taylor would be a better situation than being Brady's backup.

I’m sorry, I have no freaking clue what you’re getting at. I said it was a good thing for the Browns, and now they could draft a qb and not throw him into the fire. You responded with something that had nothing to do with what I said. Now you’re gettin’ all uppity about my response. You either lack emotional intelligence, are a troll, or wanted credit for being capt obvious. Have a good night.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Browns just wasted a 3rd round pick. They do this **** all the time, outsmart themselves by spending a middle round pick on a QB then trade down and out from a position to draft a true franchise QB.

They could be sitting with their pick of Goff or Wentz right now. Instead they still have a steaming pile of turds at QB plus Tyrod Taylor. This is why they will never win anything anytime soon.

Hell if they had pushed hard for Jimmy G, they probably could have gotten him. Even if BB didn't want to sell him to purgatory. But there was no godfather offer made, not even close.

Now watch them trade down from #1 this year as well or draft... Saquon Barkley instead.​

 

[Kontradiction]

Kontra, Mayfield as "Manziel 2.0" was obvious hyperbole, a side-by-side comparison of their college careers is unnecessary. But I'm sure you realize that quite a few people who prognosticate football for a living also have invoked Manziel's name discussing red flags in Mayfield's behavior. It hasn't been as extreme but exists nonetheless and arguably mitigates his draft capital. I'm far from the only one leery of him on that count. You think he's the best QB in the draft which is your opinion and that's fine, but most mocks I've seen have him ranked behind the likes of Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Falk, Rudolph -- around fifth or sixth.

Mayfield's game arguably is better than some of those guys even at his alleged height disadvantage. So why have so many pundits downgraded him? It could be that "bad boy" Mayfield can't help himself regardless. I saw an interview done with him before the Senior Bowl where he denied having serious character issues and candidly stated that he saw game week as his chance to set the record straight with NFL brass. Then he proceeded to shoot himself in the foot by obstinately blowing off a pro scout he was obligated to interview with.

Again, my ONLY point about Mayfield that started all this is if the Jets are going to draft a rookie QB in the first round, I'd rather it be someone with demonstrated maturity issues that potentially can be exacerbated by high-pressure expectations in the New York environment. This concept zoomed over OTG's head, perhaps unsurprisingly. He chose to ignorantly condescend and insult over it anyway vs. simply answering the question I asked him.

I like how the pundits are suddenly to be taken seriously when they’re talking about an incoming rookie that the Pats either have no shot at or their fans don’t want. But when they’re critical of second round draft choices that were reaches that the Pats draft, they’re idiots. “The Mel Kipers of the world”, is a what we generally hear around here. Mayfield’s so-called “red flags” are overblown to anyone that’s followed him throughout his collegiate career. They center around him planting a flag at Ohio State’s 50 yard line after a big win (one year after they did something similar against OU) and Mayfield cursing at Kansas and grabbing his crotch after they refused to shake his hand at the coin toss and took a cheap shot at him. The kid is as competitive as hell and, if drafted by New England, would come in and immediately push Brady to be the starter. His competitive fire is similar to Brady’s in almost every way. Brady has been regarded as one of the biggest ****-talking quarterbacks in the NFL on the field. The difference is he plays it off after the game. That’s something Mayfield hasn’t learned yet and likely will with age and the right coaching.

As for the inability to perform in pressure packed situations? Again, I say LOL. The kid faced a ton of big, pressure filled situations at OU and generally played his best football in them. If he’s mocked and goes after the rest of those inferior QBs mentioned (two of which are turnover machines, one with a weak arm, and another with a weak arm who turtles when under pressure), than I can only hope he’s there when the Pats pick. That should put an even bigger chip on his shoulder and this team has secured its QB of the future.

Perhaps we can turn this into a discussion. I’ll assume you’ve seen at least one of his games or looked at him through video posted online. What do you feel the weaknesses in his actual game are vs. guys like Darnold, Rosen, Falk, Lauletta, Rudolph, and Allen?

That's it? That's all? Poorly written, pseudo-analytical contrived fanspeak and bloated conjecture parading as "insight" into what makes Mayfield a strong player. "Hey! The kid has skills! He sees the field, processes quickly, makes good decisions and throws accurately!" Eureka! (The next Drew Brees? That'll be fun to watch happen.) Nothing at all about his character issues and off-field challenges. The on-field stuff is apparent and appreciable but ain't the full monty.

All this said, no one knows for sure what kind of a pro Mayfield will become. He very well might get his head straight if he wants it bad enough and receives good mentoring, in which case he could excel.

You clearly didn’t read it then. OTG puts more work into his film review and that site than anyone on this forum or any forum I’ve ever been to. I appreciate his work and takes.

 

[TinhWoodhead]

on the 49ers tyrod would probably make 20m a year

 

[Kontradiction]

God, I love this time of year on here. It’s the time of year when guys who flat out admit they don’t watch a minute of football on Saturday afternoons in the fall suddenly become experts. It’s hilarious stuff.

 

[Tunescribe]

God, I love this time of year on here. It’s the time of year when guys who flat out admit they don’t watch a minute of football on Saturday afternoons in the fall suddenly become experts. It’s hilarious stuff.

Also hilarious is the guys who watch football on Saturday afternoons believing that makes THEM experts.

For the record Kontra, you know more about the finer points of this year's draft class than I do. That's a given, as I can't afford the luxury of spending as much time on that as you and I never purported to be an "expert." But Mayfield's on-field capabilities vs. the other QBs in his class wasn't the point of our discussion, at least from my end -- only the big question mark hovering over his demonstrated character issues. Which include more than what you alluded to but which you essentially have dismissed as a non-factor. I stated my view of this in the last post, including the caveat that if the kid gets his head screwed on straight he obviously has the tools to become a fine pro.

 

[Kontradiction]

Also hilarious is the guys who watch football on Saturday afternoons believing that makes THEM experts.

I don't claim to be an expert at all. I just claim to know more about the kid's game than someone that doesn't watch the sport does. That's a given.

For the record Kontra, you know more about the finer points of this year's draft class than I do. That's a given, as I can't afford the luxury of spending as much time on that as you and I never purported to be an "expert." But Mayfield's on-field capabilities vs. the other QBs in his class wasn't the point of our discussion, at least from my end -- only the big question mark hovering over his demonstrated character issues. Which include more than what you alluded to but which you essentially have dismissed as a non-factor. I stated my view of this in the last post, including the caveat that if the kid gets his head screwed on straight he obviously has the tools to become a fine pro.

I just don't see that big of a deal with the kid planting a flag at the 50 yard line of an opponent that disrespected his program the year before after a win or him reacting to getting smack talked and absorbing a dirty cheap shot in a game. I also find it hard to care about an arrest in college while drunk. The kid can play. The maturity issues are overblown.

 

[Tunescribe]

I don't claim to be an expert at all. I just claim to know more about the kid's game than someone that doesn't watch the sport does. That's a given.



I just don't see that big of a deal with the kid planting a flag at the 50 yard line of an opponent that disrespected his program the year before after a win or him reacting to getting smack talked and absorbing a dirty cheap shot in a game. I also find it hard to care about an arrest in college while drunk. The kid can play. The maturity issues are overblown.

One last question on this for you, as I would value your opinion from what you know: Let's say Darnold and Rosen are gone by the time the Jets pick sixth and they go QB. Being a Patriots fan, who would you like to see them draft?

 

[Kontradiction]

One last question on this for you, as I would value your opinion from what you know: Let's say Darnold and Rosen are gone by the time the Jets pick sixth and they go QB. Being a Patriots fan, who would you like to see them draft?

I would love to watch them draft Allen.

 

[jah]

I would love to watch them draft Allen.

My Browns fan friend seems to feel the same. He's praying they don't go Allen, thinks he's a guaranteed bust. Is it true that his profile is basically "can throw ball 70 yards but not accurately and with no anticipation"?

 

[Kontradiction]

My Browns fan friend seems to feel the same. He's praying they don't go Allen, thinks he's a guaranteed bust. Is it true that his profile is basically "can throw ball 70 yards but not accurately and with no anticipation"?

I’m unimpressed by his accuracy on shorter throws and his pocket presence. His internal clock seems to be slow IMO.

 

[PatsDeb]

I can't tell if what the Browns are doing is genius or completely idiotic. They had tons of picks and cap space, so they spend both at the same time via trading for expensive vets.

Well, amassing picks and cap space hasn't done them any good for many years now. Trading for some vets (you probably have to overpay to get anyone to go there) to try to change the culture and add some stability is probably a good way to start climbing the ladder to league relevance.