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Training Camp Observations (8/1/19) Day 7


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I'm encouraged by everything we've been reading on the defense. But I want to wait until I start seeing reports from the joint practices. Those always feel a little better, because you don't have to worry about one side of the ball while you're excited about the other. Right now we just don't know how comfortable the offense is with a new LT, no Edelman, and no Gronk. Even if the defense wasn't looking good, there would be an adjustment period with those losses.
 
I'm encouraged by everything we've been reading on the defense. But I want to wait until I start seeing reports from the joint practices. Those always feel a little better, because you don't have to worry about one side of the ball while you're excited about the other. Right now we just don't know how comfortable the offense is with a new LT, no Edelman, and no Gronk. Even if the defense wasn't looking good, there would be an adjustment period with those losses.

For sure. If the CBs can dominate Golladay, Jones & Amendola that will be telling.

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Collins, Roberts

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Inman

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Anderson, Winovich

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Mason, Cannon

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Harris

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Cowart, Ferentz

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Wynn

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Boy the NEP made you eat your words last year...
Yep. I’m holding an L, no doubt. Enjoyed every minute of it. But I was at least right that it’s still possible to play lockdown defense in the NFL.
 
The concept of a Jamie Collins who follows the playcall is almost unfair.
 
I'm encouraged by everything we've been reading on the defense. But I want to wait until I start seeing reports from the joint practices. Those always feel a little better, because you don't have to worry about one side of the ball while you're excited about the other. Right now we just don't know how comfortable the offense is with a new LT, no Edelman, and no Gronk. Even if the defense wasn't looking good, there would be an adjustment period with those losses.

Usually I would agree about not getting ahead of oneself 8 days into TC. But this D is returning 9 of 11 starters and have added known quantities in Collins, Pennel and a returning Bentley. The secondary looks like murderers row. Seriously, a 2nd year 2nd round pick (Dawson) is a virtual DeadMan Walking. No other team can say that. I’m breaking my rule because this is already looking special (barring the inevitable injuries).

The O is the big question mark. It’s fortunate they have the smartest QB in the NFL and a great running game. They will win because of smarts and possession. Between that great D and a run dependent/dump off pass O, TOP spreads vs their opponents will be huge.
 
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Dorsett is mentoring N'Keal? That's honestly pretty nice to hear. From most of the reports I've read, Dorsett seems like a great person.
Great person, great athlete, hopefully a great wr.
 
Great person, great athlete, hopefully a great wr.

Down the stretch and in the playoffs, he was money last year. The TD against the Chargers, the TD in the AFCCG (fighting thru DPI) the somersault TD catch late in the season, the back of the end zone catch on Brady’s rollout against the Jets. The most acrobatic catches were all Dorsett. It just may have been a case of getting comfortable in the system.
 
Does anyone know what the coverage of the joint practices will it , be only Patriot.com or does the NE beat reports follow the team....Just want to keep seeing some reports
 
Don't get my hopes up for a repeat of the early dynasty nasty defenses the Pats used to trot out! I've been waiting 15 years to see it. :D
A dominant defense today looks different than a dominant defense back then because the deck is stacked in favor of offense.
 
Usually I would agree about not getting ahead of oneself 8 days into TC. But this D is returning 9 of 11 starters and have added known quantities in Collins, Pennel and a returning Bentley. The secondary looks like murderers row. Seriously, a 2nd year 2nd round pick (Dawson) is a virtual DeadMan Walking. No other team can say that. I’m breaking my rule because this is already looking special (barring the inevitable injuries).

The O is the big question mark. It’s fortunate they have the smartest QB in the NFL and a great running game. They will win because of smarts and possession. Between that great D and a run dependent/dump off pass O, TOP spreads vs their opponents will be huge.

Oh trust me, I'm typing with a level head, but inside my gut is going BONKERS over the potential of this defense.

As for the offense, on top of Brady, it's also encouraging that just about all the major coaching turnover was on the defensive side of the ball. So we still have McDaniels and Scar to help the offense transition. I trust those three to put together something good.

Just look at 2006 and 2013, the two years that most would agree Brady had the fewest weapons he's had, and they finished 7th and 3rd respectively in points scored. I think the offense will figure it out, it just might take a month or so to find the rhythm.
 
This is a combination of observations from today and partially from last week, some of which I caught.

First off, Bedard, Cox and McKenna have described today as a bad day at the office for the offense, particularly the OL.

Brady has been described by a few as having an average, to sub-par training camp.

I disagree with them. All of them.

The offensive miscues, the two false starts by Mason then Ferentz, and the muffed handoff to Michel is what happens when you're facing an elite defense that's foaming at the mouth, that's the best I've seen in quite a while. In the past few years, the offense has usually had its way with the defense. But not this year- this is a pretty fast, swarming defense. The offense has been playing on its back heels and the OL is intimidated, hence all those mental mistakes being described as "sloppiness."

This is defense that is intense, takes pride in itself and plays with a swagger, an edge. There was a lot of chirping, woofing, and finger-pointing. I absolutely love the attitude and the fire that they exhibit on the field especially when making goal line stops- there was a lot of whooping and yelling with players spilling on the field and rubbing it in the O's face, and even Jerod Mayo wasn't above running onto the field and doing a little finger wagging himself. This has been an energetic training camp- you'd never guess that they had just won the superbowl. Bentley plays with intensity- got into it with K'neal.

I had my eyes on a few players- mostly Collins- I wanted to know if he was going to be different this time around, and by all accounts he is- a lot more communication to and from him, and he is playing within the game instead of outside of it (e.g., freelancing), and I think that has come with maturity, with understanding why the game is played the way it is- he continues to be a disruptive player, punching the ball out, making stops, being all over.

Michael Bennett is flying under the radar for the most part, and seems to be in snooze mode through training camp, but when he has had to turn it on, he has been an absolute monster. He destroyed Shaq Mason in the OL vs. DL RB drill where you had to shed the OL and try to contain or funnel the RB. He stood Mason up and shed him like a rag doll and just wrapped up the RB. Unbelievable upper body strength there.

Lazar and others think that we are going back to the 3-4, I actually think we're going to stay with the 2-4, with only one or two linemen down in the dirt, and utilize more backers than linemen. I actually wouldn't be surprised if we were in nickel, or dime for most of this upcoming season.

This is a feisty group of DB's that takes pride in shutting down receivers- especially Gilmore who didn't allow even as much as a whiff of the ball when called upon. I think we'll keep a deep corp as we did last year. They have outstanding communication amongst themselves and are very rarely fooled by the offense- only once today were they fooled, on a goal line double fake PA.

And the offense? What gives?

One reason everyone keeps reading about acrobatic, crazy catches is because that's all that the defense is giving up. A couple crazy circus catches by K'neal, Meyers, and Dorsett today.

It has otherwise been difficult to move on this defense, to get an actual first down.

K'neal looks like someone who just got hit with a freight train of a playbook, but I think he'll be fine. His talent will pull him through until the rest of him catches up. Right now he is doing too much thinking, and that's of course normal of a rookie who's getting coached up from every direction, and from anyone within earshot. It was nice to see Dorsett take K'neal under his wing and just help to keep him calm and even-keeled. He has a lot to learn in terms of hand placements especially on comebacks, and how to push off subtly. His pushoffs right before he goes up for the ball is too obvious at this point.

Watson still has it- he had a beautiful diving catch, and the chemistry between Brady and Watson is still there.

As mentioned, Meyers is making a name for himself and gets my vote as the annual UDFA to make the team, and Maurice Harris is carving a nice niche for himself- and seems to be picking up where Patterson left off- running the same gadget plays (jet sweeps, etc).

As of this point, Skipper is our starting LT for the foreseeable future. He is not spectacular, but is fundamentally sound and I am impressed with his pad levels- he can get himself as low as Thuney, which is saying something! He does a nice job holding people away from his body, has nice hands, good eyes (picked up a secondary rusher). Will he hold up against an elite DL? That's the big question.

More coming but wanted to get this out for now.
How many practices have you been able to attend? Do you notice any differences in routines from prior years (possibly related to coaching changes)
 
@PP2 notice anything on Cowart at all?
 
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