Trade Mankins now!

[stinkypete]

This is a direct response to Vector Prime's "Sign Mankins now?" thread. Belichick laid down the law with the Moss trade. This young team can't afford any me-first malcontents. I don't care about this "principle" crap that Mankins is spouting off about. He's an interior lineman demanding pass rusher money. He's expendable.

The line is playing very well and the depth stands to improve once Kaczur returns. We know that Mankins is leaving, so let's ship him off and pry another 3rd rounder from another sucker of a team. Then we can make a super power play in the draft, bring in 2 impact defensive players and Mike Pouncey, spend our free agent dollars on a corner and a RB. Hello dynasty!

 

[PowerRunRevival]

This is a direct response to Vector Prime's "Sign Mankins now?" thread. Belichick laid down the law with the Moss trade. This young team can't afford any me-first malcontents. I don't care about this "principle" crap that Mankins is spouting off about. He's an interior lineman demanding pass rusher money. He's expendable.

The line is playing very well and the depth stands to improve once Kaczur returns. We know that Mankins is leaving, so let's ship him off and pry another 3rd rounder from another sucker of a team. Then we can make a super power play in the draft, bring in 2 impact defensive players and Mike Pouncey, spend our free agent dollars on a corner and a RB. Hello dynasty!

I could not agree more.

 

[SanAngeloState]

Zey canto do that. He hasn't signed. THey don't have his rights.

They could try to get him to negotiate his own trade with a contract he liked...but I doubt he'd find a team willing to pay top FA money and give up a pick.

 

[aurakilla]

im just curious, if mankins signs for the last 6 games i know well get a comp pick


BUT

if he sits out the entire season, and signs somewhere else next year will the pats get a comp pick

 

[strngplyr]

He doesn't become a FA unless he plays, as far as I know. So he can't sit out the entire season if he wants to leave or he'll be stuck in the same exact boat again next year.

 

[mcsully]

im just curious, if mankins signs for the last 6 games i know well get a comp pick


BUT

if he sits out the entire season, and signs somewhere else next year will the pats get a comp pick

1. The labor deal ends day after the Super Bowl and there are no guarantees this practice will be continued

2. it would be a 3rd rounder, at best, in 2012 (if everyhing stayed the same)

 

[mcsully]

Zey canto do that. He hasn't signed. THey don't have his rights.

They could try to get him to negotiate his own trade with a contract he liked...but I doubt he'd find a team willing to pay top FA money and give up a pick.

Just a formality you are talking about.. The longer he sits, the less he's going to make in the long run.. FO hasn't talked to him since the start of the season and realizes now he isn't in the drivers seat, as long as he's under control by the Pats.. So a trade will definitely benefit him.

I rather see us get a veteran player back instead of a draft pick but at this point, I'd like to know what BB has up his sleeve.

 

[TBradyOwnsYou]

Here's the problem:
Mankins has to sign to be traded.
He won't sign if he isn't guaranteed a lucrative extension.
The Pats won't give him as much as he wants.
No other team has stepped up saying they're willing to pay that much either.
If another team stepped up and said they'd pay Mankins, and Mankins said yes I fully believe he'd be gone within the hour. And I think at this point we'd take a 3rd rounder for him.

 

[jmt57]

He doesn't become a FA unless he plays, as far as I know. So he can't sit out the entire season if he wants to leave or he'll be stuck in the same exact boat again next year.

Absolutely incorrect. Unfortunately many, including espn's Chris Mortensen, have been saying exactly that - that Mankins needs to play those six games in order to become a free agent. Sadly many others have said/repeated the same misinformation.

Mankins has five years of accrued service time. The rules for an uncapped 2010 were that a player needed six years to become an unrestricted free agent. The rules for an uncapped 2011 are five years to become an unrestricted free agent. Prior to that the previous CBAs (2009 and before) permitted a player to become an unrestricted free agent after four seasons.

So if there is no new CBA, Mankins is an unrestricted free agent. If on the other hand there is a new CBA, then the NFLPA would have to agree to lengthening the amount of time to becoming an unrestricted free agent by not one, but two years beyond what it had been in previous CBAs; I just don't see why they would agree to do that.


So the bottom line is that, no, Mankins does not have to play this year to become an unrestricted free agent.

 

[DanishPatFan]

Absolutely incorrect. Unfortunately many, including espn's Chris Mortensen, have been saying exactly that - that Mankins needs to play those six games in order to become a free agent. Sadly many others have said/repeated the same misinformation.

Mankins has five years of accrued service time. The rules for an uncapped 2010 were that a player needed six years to become an unrestricted free agent. The rules for an uncapped 2011 are five years to become an unrestricted free agent. Prior to that the previous CBAs (2009 and before) permitted a player to become an unrestricted free agent after four seasons.

So if there is no new CBA, Mankins is an unrestricted free agent. If on the other hand there is a new CBA, then the NFLPA would have to agree to lengthening the amount of time to becoming an unrestricted free agent by not one, but two years beyond what it had been in previous CBAs; I just don't see why they would agree to do that.


So the bottom line is that, no, Mankins does not have to play this year to become an unrestricted free agent.

I do not understand what the different is between a unrestricted and restricted free agent is? and can a free agent be something else ?
We do not have anything like this in Denmark, so it is quite confusing

 

[strngplyr]

Absolutely incorrect. Unfortunately many, including espn's Chris Mortensen, have been saying exactly that - that Mankins needs to play those six games in order to become a free agent. Sadly many others have said/repeated the same misinformation.

Mankins has five years of accrued service time. The rules for an uncapped 2010 were that a player needed six years to become an unrestricted free agent. The rules for an uncapped 2011 are five years to become an unrestricted free agent. Prior to that the previous CBAs (2009 and before) permitted a player to become an unrestricted free agent after four seasons.

So if there is no new CBA, Mankins is an unrestricted free agent. If on the other hand there is a new CBA, then the NFLPA would have to agree to lengthening the amount of time to becoming an unrestricted free agent by not one, but two years beyond what it had been in previous CBAs; I just don't see why they would agree to do that.


So the bottom line is that, no, Mankins does not have to play this year to become an unrestricted free agent.

Yeah, just going off of what I've heard from all the major networks. My bad if I was indeed wrong about that.

Just seems odd that the "experts" from most networks would have that wrong as well, but they aren't perfect either.

 

[mcsully]

Absolutely incorrect. Unfortunately many, including espn's Chris Mortensen, have been saying exactly that - that Mankins needs to play those six games in order to become a free agent. Sadly many others have said/repeated the same misinformation.

Mankins has five years of accrued service time. The rules for an uncapped 2010 were that a player needed six years to become an unrestricted free agent. The rules for an uncapped 2011 are five years to become an unrestricted free agent. Prior to that the previous CBAs (2009 and before) permitted a player to become an unrestricted free agent after four seasons.

So if there is no new CBA, Mankins is an unrestricted free agent. If on the other hand there is a new CBA, then the NFLPA would have to agree to lengthening the amount of time to becoming an unrestricted free agent by not one, but two years beyond what it had been in previous CBAs; I just don't see why they would agree to do that.


So the bottom line is that, no, Mankins does not have to play this year to become an unrestricted free agent.

Very nicely put but just one note that needs to be thrown in.. No team will sign another player until a CBA is agreed upon. Once that happens, the Pats will Franchise his ***** and trade him away..

I just don't see the Pats letting a player walk away without getting value in return.

 

[Synovia]

The rules for an uncapped 2010 were that a player needed six years to become an unrestricted free agent. The rules for an uncapped 2011 are five years to become an unrestricted free agent. Prior to that the previous CBAs (2009 and before) permitted a player to become an unrestricted free agent after four seasons..

JMT, do you have a reference for the rules going back to the pre-no-cap year 5 years if a new CBA isn't signed? I haven't seen that stated anywhere.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

And I think at this point we'd take a 3rd rounder for him.

They'll get a 3rd rounder anyways when he leaves in FA.

 

[jmt57]

I do not understand what the different is between a unrestricted and restricted free agent is? and can a free agent be something else ?
We do not have anything like this in Denmark, so it is quite confusing

Short answer example would be that Mankins was a restricted free agent this year; by comparison Ben Watson was an unrestricted free agent.


Unrestricted free agents (UFA) can sign with any NFL team that want. Their contract has expired and they have played the minimum number of seasons to become an UFA; that used to always be four seasons, but was six in 2010 and will be five in 2011. If one team signs another team's UFA, they do not owe that other team anything.

A restricted free agent (RFA) is a player who has received a "qualifying" offer from his old team, but is free to negotiate with any other team through the free agent signing period. If he accepts an offer sheet from a new club, his old club can match the offer and retain him, or not match the offer - in which case the new team would have to trade draft pick(s) depending on the amount of its qualifying offer.

If the player does not sign an offer sheet with another team within the free agent signing period, the original team retains his rights and he cannot sign with anybody else at that point. Typically a RFA is a player with three years of service time and his contract has expired - though in some cases that amount of time went up in 2010 and 2011 because the amount of time to become an UFA increased.


Hope that helps, I know it's more confusing because of the rule changes in the uncapped year.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

He doesn't become a FA unless he plays, as far as I know. So he can't sit out the entire season if he wants to leave or he'll be stuck in the same exact boat again next year.

He already said he's coming back week 10.

Not sure what happens if BB decides to put him on the inactive list like he did with Glenn in 2001.

But if he plays after week 10, he can't be franchised.

 

[DW Toys]

Zey canto do that. He hasn't signed. THey don't have his rights.

They could try to get him to negotiate his own trade with a contract he liked...but I doubt he'd find a team willing to pay top FA money and give up a pick.

Yes, They control his rights. They just can't trade him until he signs his tender. He can be made free to negotiate his own contract. Then sign his tender. Then the Pats agree on compensation and the trade is done. Good bye bronco billy.
DW Toys

 

[jmt57]

JMT, do you have a reference for the rules going back to the pre-no-cap year 5 years if a new CBA isn't signed? I haven't seen that stated anywhere.

I used to be able to get into the CBA itself on the NFLPA site, but that seems to be off limits to the general public now. I did find this though:

Uncapped years would actually limit free agency

The one factor fans have heard the most about is that 2010 and 2011 would be "uncapped" years. But there are three main trigger points that will go off in 2010 if there isn't a new CBA in place, and they may offset the fear of life with no salary cap. They are: 1) free agency will require six years of service (instead of four years in 2010 and five years in 2011); 2) teams will have three tags to use to restrict free agents instead of one tag, as they do now; and 3) teams that go deep in the playoffs could have some spending restrictions.

 

[mcsully]

He already said he's coming back week 10.

Not sure what happens if BB decides to put him on the inactive list like he did with Glenn in 2001.

But if he plays after week 10, he can't be franchised.

HOw is that?

 

[SirApropos]

I do not understand what the different is between a unrestricted and restricted free agent is? and can a free agent be something else ?
We do not have anything like this in Denmark, so it is quite confusing

Unrestricted Free Agent (UFA) = Player can sign with any team he wants as lon as he is not under contract. In the past you needed 4 years to become a UFA but with the 2010 uncapped year it went to 6 years and guys like Mankins got screwed over.

Restricted Free Agent (UFA) = Player can sign with any team he wants but his current team will get some compensation for him based off a tender offer the current team gave him. Usually something like a 1st round pick or 1st and 3rd pick. Mankins reverted to a RFA because he only played 5 years. He didn't sign his tender (1st & 3rd) so New England doesn't own his rights but he can't sign elsewhere either.

There is also.

Exclusive Rights Free Agent (ERFA) = Player with 3 yrs or less playing time and not under contract. Can only sign with his current team and can't negotiate with other teams.

That's the gist of what types of Free Agents are.