trade jules

[Froob]

The question to me is if its worth it to trade away a player who could become a security blanket for a young QB as he gets his first season under him and properly learns the offense just for a second round pick.

Personally I'd write that off as developmental costs and hope it pays off as investment into Stidham. But I can see the allure of an early day 2 pick. Especially in a draft where we have this big gap.

I do think this will be a pretty good team. If it’s less than a third, definitely keep him.

 

[jacigar]

Not if the Bucs are going all in with Brady playing 2 more seasons.
trade jules for tb r3 76 draft lynch dt
rev d lynch dt5t baylor 6-4 289 tk 19 sk 16 hit 13 hurries 41
roy nt baylor 6-1 333 tk 29 sk 6 hit 15 hurries 30
willekes edge msu 6-3 264 tk 20 sk 9 hit 5 hurries 34 total 68 tkl 31 sks 33 hits 105 hurries

 

[PatsWSB47]

make that r3 76 draft lynch dt5t baylor trade 23 and 100 to la rams for r2 54,57 and r3m84 works on value chart draft 54 hurts 57 aiyuk 84 claypool 87 willekes edge .i am trying to build future
wr aiyuk leg inj rated #32 pff big board hurts #3 qb 65 big board

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[Uptown]

We gave up a second for Sanu. I could see Tampa doing it if Tom was insistent enough.

Although I disagree with giving up a 2nd rounder for Sanu; I do see the reason behind the execution of the trade; which was pretty much desperation/contract situation. Much different circumstances in this case.

 

[Boston Boxer]

i would trade edelman to tb for r2 45 pick

man, you are just not having a good week.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

At least this post was somewhat coherent. Then again it was only like 6 words long so almost impossible to go off the rails that quick

 

[Pat the Pats Fan]

make that r3 76 draft lynch dt5t baylor trade 23 and 100 to la rams for r2 54,57 and r3m84 works on value chart draft 54 hurts 57 aiyuk 84 claypool 87 willekes edge .i am trying to build future
wr aiyuk leg inj rated #32 pff big board hurts #3 qb 65 big board

Speaka da inglesh plea

 

[sb1]

Not if the Bucs are going all in with Brady playing 2 more seasons.

Go for it now. Edelman is still playing at a high level and is the go to for Brady to extend drives. I just watched the 2018 AFCC. 2 drives were 3rd and 10 either OT or 4th quarter down by 4 points. Edelman down the seam completes both conversions.

I read the Pats will be dinged 4.3M in new cap dead money if Jules is traded now. Even if they were ok with that Tampa is not giving up a mid to high 2nd for him as OP suggested.

I doubt the Patriots are inclined to do anything to help Brady do well on his new team.

 

[primetime]

Edelman's a top-10 WR on a wildly affordable contract, trading doesn't save much against the cap, and he probably wouldn't garner much more than a 3rd or 4th rounder (even though he's miles better than, say, Brandin Cooks) because of age, but yeah let's give him up for the right to draft Albert Okweuetenaban.

 

[primetime]

The secret to the draft is that it's fun to get excited about new players but most of them aren't better than replacement-level and a majority are just complete non-factors, especially outside the top-50 or so.

 

[Love The Drake]

The secret to the draft is that it's fun to get excited about new players but most of them aren't better than replacement-level and a majority are just complete non-factors, especially outside the top-50 or so.

I have to always remind myself of this.
I choose to believe all Rookies can be quality starters lol

 

[PatsBoy12]

As crazy as it sounds... maybe. They seem intent on wanting to jettison TE OJ Howard in Tampa for some strange reason. That's a HUGE area of need for NE currently. Maybe the sides can work something out. It would appear to be something that could be a win/win for both sides.

 

[mgteich]

As crazy as it sounds... maybe. They seem intent on wanting to jettison TE OJ Howard in Tampa for some strange reason. That's a HUGE area of need for NE currently. Maybe the sides can work something out. It would appear to be something that could be a win/win for both sides.

As I have said for it seems like weeks: the situations regarding Howard and Edelman are NOT related, except for the fact that Tampa Bay is involved in both situations.

 

[Wax Frog]

@jacigar is reaching GOAT status.

Sometimes a Jacigar is just a Jacigar...

 

[Kasmir]

The secret to the draft is that it's fun to get excited about new players but most of them aren't better than replacement-level and a majority are just complete non-factors, especially outside the top-50 or so.

Interesting claim, but if you use one of the Draft Value Charts as a proxy, there's as much value in the picks 51+ as there is in picks 1-8, i.e. the sum of draft value of picks 1-8 is 15800, and 51 to the last pick totals 15218. It takes 206 picks to equal the value of the 8 top picks, but the draft value chart says those 206 picks aggregated have roughly the same expected value as the top 8 aggregated.

But if you go to the top 50, total draft value is 45805 or 3X the value of 51+. So if you built a team out of the top 50 in this years draft, you'd need to take all 600+ players from 3 years of drafting 51+ to equal the total value.

So here's a version of your statement based on this analysis: 3/4 of the value in a draft is gone by pick 50.

2020 NFL Trade Value Chart

I used that chart because it is in a format that's easy to load into a spreadsheet.

You can also proxy Free Agent value too: late 7th round picks are assigned 1 pt of value. So if each team signs 10 free agents, that's at most 320 points of value, or the equivalent of the 26th pick in the 2nd round -- for the entire class of free agents.

 

[PatsBoy12]

As I have said for it seems like weeks: the situations regarding Howard and Edelman are NOT related, except for the fact that Tampa Bay is involved in both situations.

I never said they are, nor do I believe my post makes it seem that way. Suggesting that the teams could get together is not automatically suggesting that the players' situations are related.

 

[primetime]

Interesting claim, but if you use one of the Draft Value Charts as a proxy, there's as much value in the picks 51+ as there is in picks 1-8, i.e. the sum of draft value of picks 1-8 is 15800, and 51 to the last pick totals 15218. It takes 206 picks to equal the value of the 8 top picks, but the draft value chart says those 206 picks aggregated have roughly the same expected value as the top 8 aggregated.

But if you go to the top 50, total draft value is 45805 or 3X the value of 51+. So if you built a team out of the top 50 in this years draft, you'd need to take all 600+ players from 3 years of drafting 51+ to equal the total value.

So here's a version of your statement based on this analysis: 3/4 of the value in a draft is gone by pick 50.

2020 NFL Trade Value Chart

I used that chart because it is in a format that's easy to load into a spreadsheet.

You can also proxy Free Agent value too: late 7th round picks are assigned 1 pt of value. So if each team signs 10 free agents, that's at most 320 points of value, or the equivalent of the 26th pick in the 2nd round -- for the entire class of free agents.

The problem is you're not drafting in aggregate, I can't trade for every pick 51-230 or whatever. The likelihood pick #00 or whatever pans out just isn't very high (and after the 4th round it really drops off), and it's not worth trading an established stud for it. You might get lucky but 95% of the time Edelman for a 3rd rounder is just a straight loss.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I’d be shocked if BB would let him go right now because they need someone to help the QB understand the scheme. But, I think they should do him a solid and let him go to a team where his role is reduced like what Amendola did in his time in NE. If not, you’ll see him dropping too many passes and getting beat up.

N’Keal Babby needs to take off his diapers and transition into becoming the go to guy. Enough with the jet sweeps. To borrow a line from Skip Bayles trashing Dwight Howard to his face, “he looks like Tarzan, but plays like Jane”.

 

[Doctor DDS]

Patriots needs all of their horses if they have their sites on another division title so trading their most valuable and experienced WR does not make sense to me. Teams surprise every year so while things do not look great at the moment I do not see any reason why the Pats cannot be contenders if a handful of things fall the right way.

 

[Love The Drake]

I’d be shocked if BB would let him go right now because they need someone to help the QB understand the scheme. But, I think they should do him a solid and let him go to a team where his role is reduced like what Amendola did in his time in NE. If not, you’ll see him dropping too many passes and getting beat up.

N’Keal Babby needs to take off his diapers and transition into becoming the go to guy. Enough with the jet sweeps. To borrow a line from Skip Bayles trashing Dwight Howard to his face, “he looks like Tarzan, but plays like Jane”.

What is he suppose to do when Tompa won't look his way even when he's open?