Top QBs this season vs pressure, no pressure, blitz and no blitz

[JMC00]

 

[oldrover]

I sense a trend...

However, a question: how can Brady's QB rating be lower than Ryan's, if his ratings in every category are HIGHER than Ryan's?



"Riddle me THAT, Batman!"

 

[jimnance]

One of them deals like the immaculate conception. The nuns used to tell us"its a mystery of god", or some such bs. Iow, they had no f***ing clue.

 

[The Gr8est]

So what are you trying to say?

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I sense a trend...

However, a question: how can Brady's QB rating be lower than Ryan's, if his ratings in every category are HIGHER than Ryan's?

"Riddle me THAT, Batman!"

There's an explanation and a name for it: the Yule-Simpson effect. It's based on the sizes of each sample. Since I don't know the numbers here, I'll use a related example.

For a long time, Pay-me-tons had a higher overall QB rating than Brady. This is despite the fact that Brady had a higher rating than Manning in games played outdoors, and a higher rating than Manning in games played indoors!

The issue is that Manning played a much higher proportion of his games indoors, and everyone plays better indoors, so the net result was that Pey-me-tons had a higher overall QB rating.

 

[ALP]

So against Rodgers...u want to send at least like 6 guys, or only send two? Lol

 

[gitgronked82]

can u post the source for this?

 

[patsinthesnow]

Was Jimmy G omitted from this because of too few pass attempts?

 

[oldrover]

Was Jimmy G omitted from this because of too few pass attempts?

They ran out of colors.

 

[Vindicate]

There's an explanation and a name for it: the Yule-Simpson effect. It's based on the sizes of each sample. Since I don't know the numbers here, I'll use a related example.

For a long time, Pay-me-tons had a higher overall QB rating than Brady. This is despite the fact that Brady had a higher rating than Manning in games played outdoors, and a higher rating than Manning in games played indoors!

The issue is that Manning played a much higher proportion of his games indoors, and everyone plays better indoors, so the net result was that Pey-me-tons had a higher overall QB rating.

Which also might explain why Kessler and Taylor are in the top 10 for "vs. Pressure" - not to dog on either of them, I've not watched them at all, but I would assume they have been pressured more than any QB due to bad OLine play, so they might have more opportunities?

 

[ctpatsfan77]

can u post the source for this?

It's pffffffff.

 

[Wheelman]

Why aren't there anything to back this up? I could make a table like that...

 

[Ross12]

No blitz: Andrew Luck fourth best in the league! Omg elite QB!

VS blitz: (not pictured)

 

[The Brandon Five]

Wait, I thought you couldn't spell elite without "Eli". Something must be wrong with the chart.

 

[NashuaPats]

Ryan, Rodgers, and Manning's coaches and GMs were of the mind set that they had an elite QB therefore they should spend draft picks and money on receivers to take advantage of their QB's gifts. The Pats' mind frame was that they had an elite QB therefore they should spend their money and picks elsewhere because their elite QB could make average receivers look good.

 

[Gronkowski123]

Brady's pretty good.

 

[Drewwho]

TB12 continually making it hard for the Pats plan the future. It's Ridiculous the level he's playing at 39 and really doesn't enough discussion IMO ( yup, I said that)!

 

[Soul_Survivor88]

 

[patchick]

There's an explanation and a name for it: the Yule-Simpson effect. It's based on the sizes of each sample. Since I don't know the numbers here, I'll use a related example.

For a long time, Pay-me-tons had a higher overall QB rating than Brady. This is despite the fact that Brady had a higher rating than Manning in games played outdoors, and a higher rating than Manning in games played indoors!

The issue is that Manning played a much higher proportion of his games indoors, and everyone plays better indoors, so the net result was that Pey-me-tons had a higher overall QB rating.

It's funny, the Manning vs. Brady passer ratings used to be the #1 example people would use to illustrate Simpson's paradox. But now Brady has ruined it by eclipsing Manning's overall rating!

If this is a Simpson's paradox situation, though, what's driving it? E.g., has Ryan not had to deal with pressure? Some context would really help. And come to think of it, knowing exactly what that graphic is and where it came from would help, too.

 

[SlowGettingUp]

There's an explanation and a name for it: the Yule-Simpson effect.

Actually there is a much easier explanation - PFF ranks Brady number 1 using their own measures:
Ranking all 32 NFL starting quarterbacks

Yule-Simpson (or more commonly called simply Simpson's paradox) wouldn't apply here anyhow, as the sizes of each of these partitions is going to be pretty similar. If anything, Brady gets blitzed less than average, so he would benefit.