Tom Curran: BJGE could be 2010 starter

[BlueThunder]

Looks like those "stats" can be a bit misleading there DaBruinz....

"SR% probably has more to do with coaching, putting RBs in position to make positive plays when least expected.

It's an interesting stat to consider, but you'd have a tough time convincing me that that guys like Buckhalter and Moats are top 5 backs. WPA and EPA look like much better predictors of actual success."

What say you?

 

[TheComeback]

Put down the late afternoon coffee.

No FB

One more time, recent history has shown that the current roster is brittle and we've carried (2009 Maroney, Faulk, Morris, Taylor, BJGE) and needed 5 RBs. My ideal roster would only have 4 but this talent/experience pool indicates 5 is probably needed.

Looking at # of carries for the #4 RB is an irrelevant stat in this context.

Exactly. We don't need a pure FB, so that roster spot has been going to an RB lately; besides, Morris and BJGE have filled that role many times between them.

It's amazing how quickly people forget the 2008 season, when all of our backs were injured, or even last year, when all of them except LM and BGJE were hurt, too. We can't stash any of these guys on the practice squad.

I'd be surprised if we only carried 4 RBs this year.

 

[Ring 6]

Why has this thread evolved into Maroney bashing? He is not going to get cut. He is young, is still cheap (still on his rookie contract), and has good value across the board.

The truth? Maroney is hated by many fans. I can understand it. Many fans look for someone to blame when they don't like the results. IT tends to be a combination of thehighest profile, the one they can act like they are smart to rip, and the one they can act like lacks a quality they wish they had.
It cant be Brady.
The OC is the invisible man.
Next in line is Maroney, the leading rusher.
He fits the bill of looking smart to rip, because if you don't understand the running back position you can call him a dancer. Of course, he goes over the top on the final criteria because they can question his manhood by callig him afraid to get hit and injury prone.
The first round pick status increases his value as a target.

 

[patsinthesnow]

The truth? Maroney is hated by many fans. I can understand it. Many fans look for someone to blame when they don't like the results. IT tends to be a combination of thehighest profile, the one they can act like they are smart to rip, and the one they can act like lacks a quality they wish they had.
It cant be Brady.
The OC is the invisible man.
Next in line is Maroney, the leading rusher.
He fits the bill of looking smart to rip, because if you don't understand the running back position you can call him a dancer. Of course, he goes over the top on the final criteria because they can question his manhood by callig him afraid to get hit and injury prone.
The first round pick status increases his value as a target.

HINT: He is ACTUALLY one of the causes of the losses.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Looks like those "stats" can be a bit misleading there DaBruinz....

"SR% probably has more to do with coaching, putting RBs in position to make positive plays when least expected.

It's an interesting stat to consider, but you'd have a tough time convincing me that that guys like Buckhalter and Moats are top 5 backs. WPA and EPA look like much better predictors of actual success."

What say you?

Any success-based statistic can be skewed by an extremely small sample size. Just like the september call-up who bats .600 in 15 at bats doesn't completely invalidate batting average, so the same holds true here.

And you're right, SR% isn't the end-all, be-all statistic. It doesn't tell the whole story, but it tells the part that it claims to tell. When the coach puts him in with a job to do, does he reliably do that job? According to the Maroney-bashers, he doesn't. According to the game tape, he does. That's it.

 

[BlueThunder]

Not a Maroney basher.....I actually like the kid and defended him before....

The issue is whether BJGE should be on the roster.....a Maroney/BJGE rotation imho might not be a losing combo. BB kept him on the roster last season for a reason. There are 2 vets who might only have one season left at the position. BJGE can catch the ball, run and plays ST...multiple value at a position that needs some young legs.

 

[Ring 6]

HINT: He is ACTUALLY one of the causes of the losses.

As well as one of the reasons for the wins.

 

[Kontradiction]

HINT: He is ACTUALLY one of the causes of the losses.

What loss are you throwing completely on Maroney?

 

[BlueThunder]

At the time, this didn't look as bad as it turned out to be.....

NFL Videos: Maroney Fumble

 

[patsinthesnow]

What loss are you throwing completely on Maroney?

Not completely, but the biggest game of the season he had his worst game with 2.4 yards per carry and fumbled at the goaline against Indy. If he didn't do that, there may have been no 4th and 2.


And thanks to Maroney playing horribly that game, O'brien went shotgun on 3rd and 2 as well as 4th and 2. Dumb decisions helped by the low faith in Maroney getting the two yards.

 

[patsinthesnow]

As well as one of the reasons for the wins.

Week 1: Nope.
Week 3: Nope.
Week 4: Nope.
Week 6: 59-0.
Week 7: Nope.
Week 9: Nope.
Week 11: Somewhat. (Leigh Bodden mostly)
Week 14: Sure.
Week 15: Sure.
Week 16: Nope.

Remove Maroney from all 10 of the regular season wins, and the pats still win all 10 games. Remove Maroney from all 16 games of the regular season, the pats win 11 games.

 

[Kontradiction]

Not completely, but the biggest game of the season he had his worst game with 2.4 yards per carry and fumbled at the goaline against Indy. If he didn't do that, there may have been no 4th and 2.


And thanks to Maroney playing horribly that game, O'brien went shotgun on 3rd and 2 as well as 4th and 2. Dumb decisions helped by the low faith in Maroney getting the two yards.

There were complete failures along the offensive line, defensive secondary, and in decision making by the coaching staff. Blaming Maroney's fumble for that loss when there were a lot of problems which also caused the team to lose that game seems a little silly.

 

[Ring 6]

Not completely, but the biggest game of the season he had his worst game with 2.4 yards per carry and fumbled at the goaline against Indy. If he didn't do that, there may have been no 4th and 2.


And thanks to Maroney playing horribly that game, O'brien went shotgun on 3rd and 2 as well as 4th and 2. Dumb decisions helped by the low faith in Maroney getting the two yards.

Do you seriously think that a coach calling thiose plays says the RB has been terrible tonight lets throw? If you do, please respond because then I can avoid reading any of your posts.
First of all IF something like that happened that decision would be based on the OL blocking.
Second, it has been reported that BB had that play chosen for specifically that type of situation.

 

[Ring 6]

Week 1: Nope.
Week 3: Nope.
Week 4: Nope.
Week 6: 59-0.
Week 7: Nope.
Week 9: Nope.
Week 11: Somewhat. (Leigh Bodden mostly)
Week 14: Sure.
Week 15: Sure.
Week 16: Nope.

Remove Maroney from all 10 of the regular season wins, and the pats still win all 10 games. Remove Maroney from all 16 games of the regular season, the pats win 11 games.

Oh brpthr. Never mind answering my last question, I have all the answer I need. Have a nice season.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Do you seriously think that a coach calling thiose plays says the RB has been terrible tonight lets throw?

I want someone else's opinion here, am I missing something? Obviously yes?

 

[patsinthesnow]

Oh brpthr. Never mind answering my last question, I have all the answer I need. Have a nice season.

Look at the game logs instead of ignoring me.

 

[Ring 6]

Look at the game logs instead of ignoring me.

I dont have to look at game logs.
I find your comments ignorant, uninformed and assinine.
Rather than say that, I chose to tell you that I will simply ignore your comments.
If those are an example of your football opinions I am going to instead spend my time discussing the marketing and management issues in my company with my 11 year old son, because it will be a better use of my time.

 

[patsinthesnow]

I dont have to look at game logs.
I find your comments ignorant, uninformed and assinine.
Rather than say that, I chose to tell you that I will simply ignore your comments.
If those are an example of your football opinions I am going to instead spend my time discussing the marketing and management issues in my company with my 11 year old son, because it will be a better use of my time.

It's the same with all you guys, when someone is rattling your feathers, you press ignore.

Have a nice day.

 

[Ring 6]

It's the same with all you guys, when someone is rattling your feathers, you press ignore.

Have a nice day.

I just dont have the energy to go through a discussion about the leading rusher on a football team with someone who thinks he should be blamed for every loss and receive no credit for any win.
I get it, you don't like Maroney. You will use whatever happened as a reason to rip Maroney, and if you can't rip him you will say anyone else could have done that. He went 4 years without fumbling but had a few last year, so he is a fumbler.
Let me guess, you are one of those guys that calls him a 'dancer' and thinks he is afraid to be hit so he dances around like ****y because you don't understand what his running style is, why he makes the decisions he makes, that he was drafted because of his running style, encourage to run to his style, and while you blame the negative run on him, you fail to realize that if he put his head down like a big , tough manly man there was no hole anyway.
Have I done enough not ignoring you to move on yet?

 

[patsinthesnow]

I just dont have the energy to go through a discussion about the leading rusher on a football team with someone who thinks he should be blamed for every loss and receive no credit for any win.
I get it, you don't like Maroney. You will use whatever happened as a reason to rip Maroney, and if you can't rip him you will say anyone else could have done that. He went 4 years without fumbling but had a few last year, so he is a fumbler.
Let me guess, you are one of those guys that calls him a 'dancer' and thinks he is afraid to be hit so he dances around like ****y because you don't understand what his running style is, why he makes the decisions he makes, that he was drafted because of his running style, encourage to run to his style, and while you blame the negative run on him, you fail to realize that if he put his head down like a big , tough manly man there was no hole anyway.
Have I done enough not ignoring you to move on yet?

I really liked Maroney his rookie year and thought he had good promise, I expected good things being the full time back his 2nd year.

His second year, he developed his infamous dancing, still had a good year, we didn't need him anyway since it was the greatest offense of all time. He single handedly won the AFC Championship for us. I wish he played better during the SB, but the O-line was to blame there.

His third year, he pissed off ALOT of the fanbase by suffering a season-ending injury as the team was in turmoil anyway with Brady just becoming out for the year. People called him "made-o-glass" by this point.

Last year: Going into the 2009 season, I was saying to myself "this is Maroney's make or break year, let's see if he can have a great year. Instead, we got a mediocre year out of Maroney. After the Colts game, I joined the Maroney pitchforks.
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The only one that can shut up the "maroney bashers" is Maroney himself. If he can have a good year this year, you guys were all right. This is the year to see if the Maroney defenders or the bashers were correct. I WANT the Maroney defenders to be right, you think I want the team to suffer?