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PATRIOTS NEWS Tom Brady, NFLPA Granted 14-Day Extension To File Motion For Rehearing By Second Circuit Court

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No you are just saying stupid things.

Yeah, right. I suppose Jax moving to London isn't a reality, too. I suppose Bennett flew to London by accident to accounce their draft pick this year. It's all just one big mirage.

I had that nailed about 3 years ago, too.

Showcasing a crappy Jax team in London because Kahn's TV money in Jax sucks, is not a mirage. It's real.

Jax can't get off the ground there without some kind of success out of the gate.
 
I am being lectured by children telling me all cops, judges and lawyers are never corrupt, and I am the bad guy?
just to clear up some logic points:

that some cops, judges, and lawyers are corrupt does not imply that all cops, judges, and lawyers are corrupt

also

that some posters believe that chin was not bribed does not imply that those posters believe that "all cops, judges and lawyers are never corrupt"
 
Re: defamation

I do not believe Brady will file a defamation suit. I doubt he is interested in being put under discovery.

The dorito dinks are a different story. I think we will see one from them, backed by the Patriots organization. I actually believe they have a much better shot at winning such a suit than Brady has at playing football in weeks 1-4.

Even for a bluff, I am pretty sure Goodell doesn't want his hand on a bible in a defamation suit explaining why he authorized 56 proven lies in the report he ruled on.

I think Goodell and the owners have a lot more to lose, especially since a judge recently authorized discovery into the concussion suits up against the NFL 2 weeks ago.
 
just to clear up some logic points:

that some cops, judges, and lawyers are corrupt does not imply that all cops, judges, and lawyers are corrupt

also

that some posters believe that chin was not bribed does not imply that those posters believe that "all cops, judges and lawyers are never corrupt"

Ok, but why so adamant to defend Chin? Are his relatives all posting on this thread?

Wouldn't it be easier to simply explain why Chin would say something as preposterous as "the evidence i n the Wells Report is OVERWHELMING against Brady". when there is NO evidence whatsoever against Brady?

Chin's statement is beyond disturbing. He was never prompted to mention the Wells Report, but he goes out of his way to do so, almost like he was told to.

Get it?
 
Even for a bluff, I am pretty sure Goodell doesn't want his hand on a bible in a defamation suit explaining why he authorized 56 proven lies in the report he ruled on.

I think Goodell and the owners have a lot more to lose, especially since a judge recently authorized discovery into the concussion suits up against the NFL 2 weeks ago.

Sure, and that's something we will probably see when M&J file their suit.

I highly doubt Brady himself is interested in a suit and the discovery that comes with it, for the same reason why he got rid of that phone.
 
Ok, but why so adamant to defend Chin? Are his relatives all posting on this thread?

Wouldn't it be easier to simply explain why Chin would say something as preposterous as "the evidence i n the Wells Report is OVERWHELMING against Brady". when there is NO evidence whatsoever against Brady?

Chin's statement is beyond disturbing. He was never prompted to mention the Wells Report, but he goes out of his way to do so, almost like he was told to.

Get it?

From the ruling: "Our role is not to determine for ourselves whether Brady participated in a scheme to deflate footballs or whether the suspension imposed by the Commissioner should have been for three games or five games or none at all."

Therefore - any such statement from Judge Chin or any other judge is completely irrelevant and moot.

Also there are text messages talking about changing air in footballs and a guy calling himself the Deflator so I wouldn't exactly say "NO evidence whatsoever".
 
It's very civil in here. I happen to disagree with him being helpful. Not everyone is going to agree all the time.

If anyone is arrogant it's people who talk down to others with fancy lawyerspeak that no one really cares about or wants to understand. We're well past the technical legal jargon that people likes Lester Munson at ESPN and other NFL allies want to throw at the wall.

I prefer Michael Hurley, Stradley, Wallach, etc, who explain the legal terms and make it easy for the average fan to understand.

This whole issue, however, is MUCH, MUCH greater than that.

Between that and grown adults thinking judges, lawyers, cops, etc, don't take payoffs, it's quite funny.

Ted Olson doesn't take cases he thinks he can't win. It's ok to read between the lines a bit here, too. No one cares about technical aspects of the hearings.

I could care less if you or anyone thinks I am a genius or not. I said LAST YEAR, LAST MAY, when Goodell levied the punishments that it was an obvious over-reach in order to yet again try to keep parity to make it easier to get Jax in London, and open up the European market.

It's why Spygate exists. These guys don't sit around in meeting rooms watching 3 Stooges re-runs. They talk about how Goodell can be the puppet to "grow" the league. Teams know what Goodell wants, teams know what they tell Goodell, so any sell-job to the public to tell them Brady and NE :"cheat": is any easy way to defraud the NFL customer, to grow the league faster.

Our team is being used. Brady is being used. Brady has been defamed. These are the facts. And, now, the Michael Jordan of the NFL will be laying out a case to explain why Goodell has no business staging cheating escapades in order to make it easier to grow the NFL.

When all this went down last year, an attorney, my own sister in law said she'd probably eventually sue if she was Brady. This is an attorney who has tons of experience and has practiced in Atlanta, Chicago and NYC, both as a corporate attorney and worked along lobbyists.

I said it from the beginning. Brady has the money, the union does, and Goodell has barked up the wrong tree here. This is now about the 2019 CBA negotiations and it will be about a stare down from here on out.

I would be worried if I were the owners. Goodell has lied on multiple occasions to federal judges and the Feds are watching here. Two chief judges have sided with Brady.

This is now a leverage play for the union, Brady is the pawn, and I said it last year, regardless of what any lester Munson moron said last August or last month, to try to confuse people with legal rhetoric will have no bearing on the outcome. That's what lawyers do. They like to confuse people.

I am assuming you are a worker in our society, as am I, and this case concerns everyone who works for a company or is involved as a union member in a CBA structure. This is about American rights, not legal jargon.

Goodell thinks he is untouchable because some arrogant owners have told him such. All the legal terminology in the world can't change that.

What planet am I on here?

I am being lectured by children

I have no idea what that means.

No, I think Berman saw right through the Wells Report, as did Katzmann. Both are chefe judges, if I am not mistaken.

I suppose

I had that nailed about 3 years ago, too.

I am pretty sure Goodell doesn't want his hand on a bible

I think Goodell a

My goodness. What have I done?

There is nothing worse than insecure people on a messageboard.
I agree.
 
From the ruling: "Our role is not to determine for ourselves whether Brady participated in a scheme to deflate footballs or whether the suspension imposed by the Commissioner should have been for three games or five games or none at all."

Therefore - any such statement from Judge Chin or any other judge is completely irrelevant and moot.

Also there are text messages talking about changing air in footballs and a guy calling himself the Deflator so I wouldn't exactly say "NO evidence whatsoever".

There is no evidence that Brady ordered a scheme for home games. Ball boys, equipment guys, really anyone, deflates and inflates footballs on a routine basis in the NFL.

And, I've also never seen clear joking or sarcasm between two colleagues, almost mocking Brady, as hard evidence before.

If anything, the 10.16.14 home Jets game, where, apparently Wells and Goodell thought it would establish some kind of basis for deflation due to the over-inflation of footballs (which is an officials' issue), would be evidence towards intent for future home games to deflate, which makes the May 2014 dorito dink "deflator" joke, completely moot.

So, if the October 2014 game triggered Brady's deflation idea, why would they use "evidence" from May 2014, if the idea had only arrived in October, 6 months after the Jastermski/McNally exchange.

Again, there is no real evidence. They're just throwing diarrhea at the wall there.

As for what you have in bold, if that's the case, why did Chin reference the "evidence" furnished by Goodell in the Wells Report, if it was just about Goodell's Draconian powers under the CBA?

I know what Chin and his colleagues said, but what Chin actually said conflicts with that statement.
 
Showcasing a crappy Jax team in London because Kahn's TV money in Jax sucks, is not a mirage. It's real.
OK now you're showing you just don't know WTF you're talking about. TV revenues are shared equally among the 32. Even if not a single person in Jacksonville watched football, it wouldn't impact Kahn's TV money.
 
Sure, and that's something we will probably see when M&J file their suit.

I highly doubt Brady himself is interested in a suit and the discovery that comes with it, for the same reason why he got rid of that phone.

I don't know, man. Brady may have felt that way when he purchased a new phone and the Pats knew what Goodell/Wells were up to last March, but I bet he feels a lot different now.

I know I would.

I could care less what trivial crap in my personal life is known. I'd want Goodell buried and put in jail like Madoff.
 
OK now you're showing you just don't know WTF you're talking about. TV revenues are shared equally among the 32. Even if not a single person in Jacksonville watched football, it wouldn't impact Kahn's TV money.

Sure, that's only part of it. What about the fannies in the seats? Jax never sells out their stadium, nor does Ross in Miami.

You think a 6-10 Jax team or worse every year will sell in London? I don't. I am not even sure a good team would sustain with English Premier League soccer being so successful.

You think they're happy about not never really selling out and competing, seeing the full ROI of the 2011 CBA like other teams see?

Where is the parity?

NE hosts 1 or 2 playoff games a year. The NY Jets haven't even hosted a playoff game in 15 years and that was because the Pats went 9-7 and were re-tooling. Before that? 15 years before that in 1987.

It's a little native to think there isn't a lot of big greed jealousy towards the Pats and the overall idea that a new market in Europe wouldn;t means a huge windfall under the new CBA in 2020.

Goodell is clearly under pressure to get Jax in London by then, but if they lose this Brady thing, it's a huge blow their leverage in the new CBA and the maximum ROI they all envision.

So, you're telling me, AFC teams are not jealous of Kraft? Sorry. Not buying it. Parity doesn't exist.

Bad parity does and the N. American market is way, way over-saturated regardless of what Sean McManus at CBS says.

The league is right back to where it was in 1990, where you had about 5 haves and 25 have nots.

We can tell right now who will win which division, for the most part, and which 2 teams in each conference get Wild Cards.

That's not what the owners envisioned at this point.
 
"Tony" = Troll

Duly noted.

 
There is no evidence that Brady ordered a scheme for home games. Ball boys, equipment guys, really anyone, deflates and inflates footballs on a routine basis in the NFL.

And, I've also never seen clear joking or sarcasm between two colleagues, almost mocking Brady, as hard evidence before.

If anything, the 10.16.14 home Jets game, where, apparently Wells and Goodell thought it would establish some kind of basis for deflation due to the over-inflation of footballs (which is an officials' issue), would be evidence towards intent for future home games to deflate, which makes the May 2014 dorito dink "deflator" joke, completely moot.

So, if the October 2014 game triggered Brady's deflation idea, why would they use "evidence" from May 2014, if the idea had only arrived in October, 6 months after the Jastermski/McNally exchange.

Again, there is no real evidence. They're just throwing diarrhea at the wall there.

As for what you have in bold, if that's the case, why did Chin reference the "evidence" furnished by Goodell in the Wells Report, if it was just about Goodell's Draconian powers under the CBA?

I know what Chin and his colleagues said, but what Chin actually said conflicts with that statement.

Yes and the evidence is indeed circumstantial but it still qualifies as a lot more than quote "NO evidence whatsoever".

And the ruling matters, what the judges say doesn't. A judge can say whatever he or she wants in their court. Even if all 3 of those judges said "Haha Patsies are tainted 4 asterisks" it would be completely irrelevant because that is not how they ruled.
 
I don't know, man. Brady may have felt that way when he purchased a new phone and the Pats knew what Goodell/Wells were up to last March, but I bet he feels a lot different now.

I know I would.

I could care less what trivial crap in my personal life is known. I'd want Goodell buried and put in jail like Madoff.

You don't care but Brady does.

He won't want discovery. No way.
 
I keep seeing that there are more and more posts in this thread, and I keep thinking that maybe there is some news or other productive discussions go on.

But then I go here and read page after page of people exchanging pleasantries...

 
Yes and the evidence is indeed circumstantial but it still qualifies as a lot more than quote "NO evidence whatsoever".

There is not a single shred of evidence pointing toward any plan to deflate any football on January 15, 2015.
That is the day for which violations were fabricated.

If my nickname was "Speedy" when I was a kid, that is not evidence that I exceeded the posted speed limit on May 19, 2016. It is just an irrelevant factoid that can be brought up to confuse the feeble-minded.
 
I have no idea what that means. He "called" the Wells Report? Absolutely no idea what that means.
He knew it would be an embarrassing, sloppy bagjob with 56 proven lies in it?


He knew Wells would be doing the dirty work for the commissioners office and not doing any sort of independent investigation, but then again why am I telling you, you already know all this because you know everything.


You THE MAN Rusty. If you don't believe me just ask yourself, you'll tell you.
 
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