Tom Brady and the 4 Year Plan

[Huckleberry1]

No question about itMatt Ryan was really showing his age in the Super Bowl. Falcons should trade for Garrapolo Asap.

 

[Simpelton]

Your "point" isn't one. I think Matt Ryan went as far as a quarterback of his talent level should be expected to go. I would really expect Brady to be better than Matt Ryan if Brady was on form. Wouldn't you?

 

[Huckleberry1]

As I said above, Brady did not have a good first half, but the reasons for that had absolutely nothing to do with his age. And I've seen him do much worse than that over the years when he was younger. He's also thrown picks on short routes plenty of times.

There is no compelling reason why the Patriots should look to move on from Brady right now. Yes they should plan for it but such a move does not make the team better at all. Put JG or JB in there today permanently and this is not a likely playoff team.

The fact that all the troll can do is pretend Brady had a bad Super Bowl shows beyond any doubt that those who want Garrapolo. to replace Brady have no case at all.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Your "point" isn't one. I think Matt Ryan went as far as a quarterback of his talent level should be expected to go. I would really expect Brady to be better than Matt Ryan if Brady was on form. Wouldn't you?

Brady was better than Ryan, and Ryan was league MVP last season. You don't have a leg to stand. Keep on trolling.

 

[sb1]

Your "point" isn't one. I think Matt Ryan went as far as a quarterback of his talent level should be expected to go. I would really expect Brady to be better than Matt Ryan if Brady was on form. Wouldn't you?

"His talent level"? As in the talent level of the league MVP?

 

[zydecochris]

He was the master of time, he was the victim of time.
He would play until he is 932 like quarterback of old before the Flood of Noah
He would be injured the first play of the 2017 season...

Etc.

"Considering how he eats and takes care of his body."

We're drinking our own Kool-Aid here. We have no real evidence (other than past performance to date) that his "science of never getting old" works past his expiration date. He might just not have reached his expiration date. Let me soften that: He sure doesn't play that way at 40 without his present regimen. That doesn't guarantee that he plays that way at 43, and it doesn't rule out the very unlikely George Blanda case.

It is a tough call, deciding what to do now, without evidence of decline. I don't think anything happens for 3 years. I don't have any idea what BB thinks, which matters much more.

We just can't solve this by any logical argument... I see very smart people spinning scenarios both ways...

Look, it will be a huge shock when Brady departs. It'll also be "well it's not like we didn't see it coming." Beyond that, unless he can play say 20-30 more years or I get hit by a bus or something, I'll have to come to terms with Brady not being the NE quarterback. I'll also likely have to see him play for somebody else. (This is derived from the fact that "I'll play until I suck" will not jibe with BB's evaluation of when it's time to let go... wish it wouldn't end a little ugly, but it seems destined to).

Thank you for injecting some much needed common sense into this thread. Some on this thread seem to think it is insulting to TB to think about "after him", and others think it is a foregone conclusion that he will fall off a cliff soon. The fact is: we just don't know. He has shown no evidence of decline, and with his unique nutrition and workout regimen I don't think anyone would be shocked if he is playing at a top level for 2-3 more years, or even longer. As you say, it is just a very tough call without any evidence of decline yet.

However, at some point obviously he will begin to decline, and it isn't BB's way to not prepare for that eventuality with any player, even TB. I personally think that BB is hoping for the best (another 2-4 years of top play from TB) and starting to prepare for the worst (a decline sometime during that period) so the Patriots aren't in the situation the Colts were when Manning got injured that year and they were practically winless.

 

[sb1]

The fact that all the troll can do is pretend Brady had a bad Super Bowl shows beyond any doubt that those who want Garrapolo. to replace Brady have no case at all.

I just don't get the either/or thing. Post Brady there are other very good QB options that I'm sure the Pats will use if they move on from JG and decide that JB isn't the answer. There is no urgency with JG unless you believe he is a franchise QB and right now I don't see that. I actually think there's a much better chance he's a system guy and those aren't hard to replace.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Thank you for injecting some much needed common sense into this thread. Some on this thread seem to think it is insulting to TB to think about "after him", and others think it is a foregone conclusion that he will fall off a cliff soon. The fact is: we just don't know. He has shown no evidence of decline, and with his unique nutrition and workout regimen I don't think anyone would be shocked if he is playing at a top level for 2-3 more years, or even longer. As you say, it is just a very tough call without any evidence of decline yet.

However, at some point obviously he will begin to decline, and it isn't BB's way to not prepare for that eventuality with any player, even TB. I personally think that BB is hoping for the best (another 2-4 years of top play from TB) and starting to prepare for the worst (a decline sometime during that period) so the Patriots aren't in the situation the Colts were when Manning got injured that year and they were practically winless.

No one says they shouldn't plan for life after Brady, simply that Jimmy Garrapolo isn't going to be the replacement because he becomes an unrestricted free agent after this season, and Brady has shown no signs of slowing down. Brady will have a successor, but in all likelihood they are in college right now.

 

[sb1]

Thank you for injecting some much needed common sense into this thread. Some on this thread seem to think it is insulting to TB to think about "after him", and others think it is a foregone conclusion that he will fall off a cliff soon. The fact is: we just don't know. He has shown no evidence of decline, and with his unique nutrition and workout regimen I don't think anyone would be shocked if he is playing at a top level for 2-3 more years, or even longer. As you say, it is just a very tough call without any evidence of decline yet.

However, at some point obviously he will begin to decline, and it isn't BB's way to not prepare for that eventuality with any player, even TB. I personally think that BB is hoping for the best (another 2-4 years of top play from TB) and starting to prepare for the worst (a decline sometime during that period) so the Patriots aren't in the situation the Colts were when Manning got injured that year and they were practically winless.

Well said, although I don't see the Pats having a season like the Colts did. Not with this coach. They did win 11 games with Matt Cassell including an absolute clown stomping of the NFC Champions and that's a lot more than those Colts showed.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I just don't get the either/or thing. Post Brady there are other very good QB options that I'm sure the Pats will use if they move on from JG and decide that JB isn't the answer. There is no urgency with JG unless you believe he is a franchise QB and right now I don't see that. I actually think there's a much better chance he's a system guy and those aren't hard to replace.

Agree completely. It's the rush to get rid of Brady that I have a problem with. The same people were arguing that they should trade him in 2014 and they now they act like the last two Lombardi's never happened.

 

[Oswlek]

Thank you for injecting some much needed common sense into this thread. Some on this thread seem to think it is insulting to TB to think about "after him", and others think it is a foregone conclusion that he will fall off a cliff soon. The fact is: we just don't know. He has shown no evidence of decline, and with his unique nutrition and workout regimen I don't think anyone would be shocked if he is playing at a top level for 2-3 more years, or even longer. As you say, it is just a very tough call without any evidence of decline yet.

I don't think this accurately describes this discussion. It is only those in favor of retaining Jimmy that claim knowledge because it is a prerequisite for their position. You cannot say it is wise to retain a player at the cost of $20+mm a year to only be a backup and emergency option, especially when there is no way to maintain control beyond year 3. The only way to build a sensible argument that takes all factors into consideration is that Brady is not a Patriot in 2021, come hell or high water. If there is even a slight chance that JG moves on that season then keeping him was a terrible decision.

Trading Jimmy only backfires similarly if Brady tails off this year, which is evidently unlikely. On top of that, even in that worst case scenario, you have the draft capital received to either better support a middling QB or to create another fallback plan. The above scenario has no such consolation prize.

One side must know, the other is just following the evidence.

 

[IllegalContact]

No question about itMatt Ryan was really showing his age in the Super Bowl. Falcons should trade for Garrapolo Asap.

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[IllegalContact]

I don't think this accurately describes this discussion. It is only those in favor of retaining Jimmy that claim knowledge because it is a prerequisite for their position. You cannot say it is wise to retain a player at the cost of $20+mm a year to only be a backup and emergency option, especially when there is no way to maintain control beyond year 3. The only way to build a sensible argument that takes all factors into consideration is that Brady is not a Patriot in 2021, come hell or high water. If there is even a slight chance that JG moves on that season then keeping him was a terrible decision.

Trading Jimmy only backfires similarly if Brady tails off this year, which is evidently unlikely. On top of that, even in that worst case scenario, you have the draft capital received to either better support a middling QB or to create another fallback plan. The above scenario has no such participation prize.

One side must know, the other is just following the evidence.

what evidence? that QB's randomly and suddenly go off of a cliff late in their careers?

you make it sound as though his decline is going to be slow and there is zero basis to make this claim

the notion here that Brady is some kind of anomaly and that he can still go for years without decline is the ONLY thing that has never happened to date

The hope is that he plays for one more year, wins another SB and rides into the sunset with all his capacities in place.....not sure what more there would be to prove even to a super competitive guy

brady starting to show his age this year is not extremely unlikely unless you care to quantify that)

the worst possible outcome is that neither BRady nor Garoppolo are there to play QB......there is nothing else on the shelf that can even come close to executing the offense

but that notion that somehow the idea that brady plays well for years is some kind of sign of superior intellect is the funniest **** yet

 

[Simpelton]

"His talent level"? As in the talent level of the league MVP?

as one of the very best quarterbacks in the league facing off against the very best quarterback in the league and taking him right to the edge of defeat before losing to the GOAT. I'd say by and large the Superbowl reflects well on Matt Ryan especially once you grow a brain and realize that in the NFL the offensive playcalls are on the HC and OC not the QB.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Your "point" isn't one. I think Matt Ryan went as far as a quarterback of his talent level should be expected to go. I would really expect Brady to be better than Matt Ryan if Brady was on form. Wouldn't you?

Can't stop laughing at this.

 

[Huckleberry1]

as one of the very best quarterbacks in the league facing off against the very best quarterback in the league and taking him right to the edge of defeat before losing to the GOAT. I'd say by and large the Superbowl reflects well on Matt Ryan once you grow a brain and realize that in the NFL the offensive playcalls are on the HC and OC not the QB.

He only scored 7 points in the second half. I'm guessing he got very tired due to his age and started making both mental and physical mistakes. The Falcons will almost certainly be in the market to replace him and the Patriots can probably get their first rounder for Garrapolo.

 

[Simpelton]

I just don't get the either/or thing. Post Brady there are other very good QB options that I'm sure the Pats will use if they move on from JG and decide that JB isn't the answer. There is no urgency with JG unless you believe he is a franchise QB and right now I don't see that. I actually think there's a much better chance he's a system guy and those aren't hard to replace.

A good system quarterback is not THAT easy to replace, is the thing. Generally speaking a quarterback that's good enough to really excel in a system is all you need to contend as long as your team is reasonably well balanced in its construction. Heck that's arguably where our first 2 Superbowls came from.

People sneered at Brady for being a system quarterback for most of his early career, but the fact of the matter is that he started out learning his trade at the NFL level by playing in a system while he developed and honed his craft, and that merely allowed him to be relevant while he mastered his art and he proved he was capable of stepping outside the initial system by 2007 at the lates.

Is it really so crazy to think that Garoppolo could go the same way -- develop in a system while he's learning the ropes, and then transcend it? Why is that so absurd when we clearly have an example of the same thing on the roster already?

 

[moosekill]

as one of the very best quarterbacks in the league facing off against the very best quarterback in the league and taking him right to the edge of defeat before losing to the GOAT. I'd say by and large the Superbowl reflects well on Matt Ryan especially once you grow a brain and realize that in the NFL the offensive playcalls are on the HC and OC not the QB.

I am not really sure what you are saying here. Are you trying to argue that Brady winning is bad and Matt Ryan losing is good?

 

[Simpelton]

He only scored 7 points in the second half. I'm guessing he got very tired due to his age and started making both mental and physical mistakes. The Falcons will almost certainly be in the market to replace him and the Patriots can probably get their first rounder for Garrapolo.

The mistakes are well documented. Missed block by Freeman on the strip sack, horrible playcalling by the HC/OC on the other sack, and an offensive holding call that had nothing to do with Ryan.

If you can show where Brady's problems in the first half were not simply the result of Brady elderliness, I'm more than prepared to listen, but the fact of the matter is that based on what I saw he was slow in the pocket, inaccurate on the short routes and couldn't connect with his receivers reliably for almost the entire first half and even had a pretty serious lapse in reading defenses when he gave up that pick 6 on a pass he's made and completed all his life.

Ryan's problems were a result of the Cinderella nature of the Falcons' even being there, very few Falcons other than Ryan, Alford, Freeney and Jones really belonged in a Superbowl. Brady's problems were, or at least so it seems to me, with his own body.

 

[sb1]

as one of the very best quarterbacks in the league facing off against the very best quarterback in the league and taking him right to the edge of defeat before losing to the GOAT. I'd say by and large the Superbowl reflects well on Matt Ryan especially once you grow a brain and realize that in the NFL the offensive playcalls are on the HC and OC not the QB.

I was referring to your quote "his talent level" which sounded to me like we should think of Ryan as several notches below what he is- an outstanding QB with tons of talent. And a deserving league MVP. My bad if that was misunderstood.

QBs don't really face off though. Not directly.