This trade will HELP the D!

[363839]

The issue may have been with the staff having to kowtow to Randy to keep him happy and invested in playing well.

That's a very good possibility.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

I think this trade will prove that losing Welker hurt us much more than losing Randy. Slam dunk?

I hope you are right. I've also longed for the old smash mouth style offense and enjoyed the 9 minute drive Monday night that netted 3 points more than any Brady to Moss TD where our offense was on the field for 2 minutes.

I think the talent is still there for a 2004 type offense. BJGE is not Dillon but Welker is superior to any WR we had then and the TE's are a considerable upgrade. OL right now is playing better too. Brady is better.

But still we won't know what effect Moss's absense will have for at least a week or so.

 

[363839]

I hope you are right. I've also longed for the old smash mouth style offense and enjoyed the 9 minute drive Monday night that netted 3 points more than any Brady to Moss TD where our offense was on the field for 2 minutes.

I think the talent is still there for a 2004 type offense. BJGE is not Dillon but Welker is superior to any WR we had then and the TE's are a considerable upgrade. OL right now is playing better too. Brady is better.

But still we won't know what effect Moss's absense will have for at least a week or so.

Having a guy that is becoming an issue in the locker room does nothing for a team. I don't think many of us here were aware of it. I know I wasn't but then again there were some signs. You always hope it's just BS. Turns out that it's not so I will look to the silver lining of this cloud and it's a pretty bright lining.
The only thing positive you could say about Randy's production this year was that he stretched the field and took double coverage. But he wasn't making the big plays like he used to and teams might have adjusted accordingly eventually.

 

[upstater1]

The defense was better in 2003 and 2004 then it was in 2001.

So was the offense. The defense actually collapsed in the Super Bowl, gave up 30 points in 30 minutes. The offense set all time records just to barely win the game.

By the way, my point is that the 2001 offense was not very good, and that the 2003 and 2004 offenses were much better, but hey I guess some people disagree.

 

[Brettlax3434]

That's right. Because now we will go back to long sustaining drives keeping the D well rested and ready.
No more forcing the ball to Randy.
Hello dink and dunk.
Good bye long bombs that when they are completed for tds, it makes the D come back out on the field too quick or worse falls incomplete for a wasted down and invariably leads to 3 and outs so the D has to come out again and most likely having to defend a short field.
(OK maybe I'm reaching a little bit)

The Patriots have been one of the best Time of Possession teams in the league.

 

[363839]

The Patriots have been one of the best Time of Possession teams in the league.

Not so much lately.
btw- Love your screen name. LOL!

 

[atomdomb]

With no MOSS out the safety who is usually play outside the box is going to be inside the box and in the middle giving help to CB/S trying to cover
Wes/Aaron.

if i was teams i will put my best CB in the middle where Wes and TE operate .

so you think that with an extra defender in the box the pats will actually run better and have open underneath routes for Wes and TE`s with a safety in the middle waiting for underneath routes?

This is what you might think but how did we move the ball from 01-06? We had average receivers back then, a stud running back 03-04 and no tight ends to speak of. The offense will be just fine.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Bill B can't execute a defense game plan when the offense scores in under 3 minutes leaving the defense on the field all game... it's bound to break.

Monday night was like watching the 03 Pats, picking up first down after first down, eating clock. Granted we had to settle for 3 points instead of TDs but the defense and special teams were able to control the game becuase they weren't on the field all game...

I think BB knows he can't keep Moss happy, and execute what needs to be executed in order to win games in the clutch. and not just blowing out teams... which doesn't always happen...

Defense leads to consistency, and although we have scored a lot of points with moss, in BIG games, we aren't consistent... when the Offense DOESN'T work... we don't seem to win them...

They didn't control the game on D until the Dolphins packed it in, and they were facing the worst ST unit in the league. Don't get me wrong, it was a hell of a win and I'm not discrediting at all, but that is absolutely not the blueprint for what they can do going forward. Those are the wins that you enjoy and take them when you can get them, but there's not a whole lot of repeatability to it.

 

[BradyFTW!]

This is what you might think but how did we move the ball from 01-06? We had average receivers back then, a stud running back 03-04 and no tight ends to speak of. The offense will be just fine.

None of the offenses from 01 to 06, with the possible exception of '04, were good enough to compete with the defense that the Pats have today.

 

[Dutchmaster617]

This will improve the defense because guys will 1. Step up to shut down the hate and critics writing us off. 2. Play as a unit without divas taking the glue off the team's chemistry.

 

[mac]

That's right. Because now we will go back to long sustaining drives keeping the D well rested and ready.
No more forcing the ball to Randy.
Hello dink and dunk.
Good bye long bombs that when they are completed for tds, it makes the D come back out on the field too quick or worse falls incomplete for a wasted down and invariably leads to 3 and outs so the D has to come out again and most likely having to defend a short field.
(OK maybe I'm reaching a little bit)

You are not reaching. This scenario is exactly what BB has in mind. Go Pats.

 

[makoute]

Welker was a beast in Miami who did not have Moss playing with them.
I think any respectable deep threat WR will do that for Welker. If what you say is even true.

He had not broken out yet in Miami, which is why the Pats where able to get him for what they did.

 

[363839]

He had not broken out yet in Miami, which is why the Pats where able to get him for what they did.

If he had not broken out then why did Miami insist on a round 2 pick and furthermore why did New England give them that 2.
Right after the trade I remember reading that Miami was still not happy with the trade.

 

[Deus Irae]

If he had not broken out then why did Miami insist on a round 2 pick and furthermore why did New England give them that 2.
Right after the trade I remember reading that Miami was still not happy with the trade.

Welker was a restricted free agent. Absent a poison pill clause, Miami could have kept him if they wanted to, because they could have matched any offer the Patriots made.

 

[363839]

Welker was a restricted free agent. Absent a poison pill clause, Miami could have kept him if they wanted to, because they could have matched any offer the Patriots made.

As I recall they were still very reluctant to let him go.
BB was willing to give up a second rounder. Clearly he had broken out enough to impress the Coach.

 

[Deus Irae]

As I recall they were still very reluctant to let him go.

To repeat:

Welker was a restricted free agent. Absent a poison pill clause, Miami could have kept him if they wanted to, because they could have matched any offer the Patriots made.

 

[Synovia]

As I recall they were still very reluctant to let him go.
BB was willing to give up a second rounder. Clearly he had broken out enough to impress the Coach.

Welker's RFA tag guaranteed a 2nd rounder. The only think BB gave them was the 7th to avoid using the poison pill offer.

 

[emoney_33]

That's right. Because now we will go back to long sustaining drives keeping the D well rested and ready.
No more forcing the ball to Randy.
Hello dink and dunk.
Good bye long bombs that when they are completed for tds, it makes the D come back out on the field too quick or worse falls incomplete for a wasted down and invariably leads to 3 and outs so the D has to come out again and most likely having to defend a short field.
(OK maybe I'm reaching a little bit)

We did that with Moss here. Having Moss does not preclude you from long sustaining drives. Not having Moss makes it a little more difficult though.

 

[363839]

To repeat:

Then I must repeat as well...BB was willing to give up a second rounder. Clearly he had broken out enough to impress the Coach.
BB gave up a 2. Can you think of a player that Coach gave up such a draft pick for?
So he played well enough for BB to be impressed enough to give up a 2nd rounder. Welker played very well in Miami prior to coming here.

 

[363839]

We did that with Moss here. Having Moss does not preclude you from long sustaining drives. Not having Moss makes it a little more difficult though.

You are not playing ball control when you're throwing long bomb incompletions. That's what we've been getting the last year or so.