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April 6th is almost here, we should get some news shortly thereafter actually related to football.


According to Andrew Brandt she can allow business--e.g.. free agency and rookie signings to commence immediately if she grants the player's the injunction.
 
I started another thread about this, but it is relevant for this thread too. Florio had Andrew Kaplan from Sportsbusiness Journal on his show and Kaplan said that the NFLPA outside council has been pushing to get rid of the draft, free agency, and the salary cap in favor of pure free market system for years. The only thing holding him back in the past was Gene Upshaw who was wise enough to know that it would be stupid for most of the players he represents to do such a foolish thing. The question is whether DeMaurice Smith is wise enough to realize the same thing.

Pondering a future without the NFL Draft | ProFootballTalk
 
You have said over and over that the the 5th Amendment established the right of the Government to take property. That is taking rights from people and giving them to the government. The Bill of Rights established rights for citizens not the government.
This is the height of the ridiculousness of your argument.
The 5th Amendment address Eminnent Domain by giving protection against it, not by creating the right of the government to take property.
I cannot help if you cannot understand the difference.

You have consistently made comments about what they intended.


But you told me it was ESTABLISHED by the 5th Amendment


Adding an Amendment to the Constitution to require equitable compensation in the event Emenant Domain is exercised is not even close to ESTABLISHING it.
Again, you state that it was established when it serves your argument then state that it was not when it serves your argument, and refuse to admit you are wrong on either point after contradicting yourself over and over.

Providing links that do not prove your point is not proving your point. I agree you found links to information about court cases. It would help your argument though, if they actually proved your point, which they do not.
Again, show me the example where the US Judiciary says the Eminent Domain was established in the 5th Amendment. You haven't yet, because you can't.


I have said it many, many times. You claimed that the 5th Amendment ESTABLSIHED the right of Eminant Domain, and then claimed that it did not, and are now flip-flopping within the same post. Adding 'tacit' later doesnt solve the contradiction.

When you state what the founding fathers had in mind as the basis of your argument and I state that you cannot read what was in their mind that is not a strawman that is rejecting the basis of your argument as flawed and arrogant.

You should write shorter posts and spend more time rereading them, becuase this statement doesnt even resemble the truth.



I'm not going to go back and requote every post. The only reason I even bothered to continue this is that you made a ridiculous statement that the 5th Amendment was designed to take rights away from citizens.
You have posted 75,000 words to backtrack from that, and now are denying ever saying it.
Just admit you were wrong, its a lot easier.


It certainly appears that way.


I am trying to discuss the issue, which you continue to dance around.


You admit you said that the 5th Amendment ESTABLISHED the right of the the government to take private property. For some reason you insist on posting volumes to make it seem you didnt mean that, or said something else more often, or something that I cant understand.
You have stated multiple times what the founding fathers intention was.

Those are the issues that you are dancing around, and now claiming you didnt say. You said them both.
I do not need to go back and requote out of volumes of lengthy posts to prove you said what you said.
Which of those 2 statements are you saying I made up and you didnt say?


Again, I suggest you write less and pay closer attention to what you post.
You have consistently used an insulting, condescending attitude throughout this thread. That is not opinion, it is clearly obvious by your comments. I don't know what you are referencing to say I am being dismissive, when in fact, I am responding to every single point you make.

I have absolutely no idea why you are so set on getting me to defend a position I never took. I have quoted for you the five prior times I brought up the 5th amendment, and demonstrated that only one out of the five of them in any way resembles what you seem to want me to have been saying.

I've been assuming that your incessant attempts to erect and attack a misconceived straw man version of my argument was an intentional, cheap rhetorical ploy on your part. Maybe I've been uncharitable w/r/t to your ingenuousness, and you are earnest in your misaken impression of what I've said. If my suspicion led me to be unduly dismissive in my manner, I apologize. I assure you that I am being genuine in my interest in maintaining a civil discourse.

If you really do believe that your characterization of my posts is accurate, and what's more have no interest in going back over my posts to verify that you're initial reading was accurate, than I guess we are, like the NFL's players and owners, at an impasse, for I have no interest in defending a position I did not take nor see as anything but tangential to any disagreement we were having over the relative "American-ness" of the government's taking of private property for public use, a discussion barely even tangential itself to the NFL labor dispute.

Thus, I suggest that anything additional you have to say on the subject you may address to me via private message, much, I suspect, to the preference of anyone else looking to make use of this thread.
 
I started another thread about this, but it is relevant for this thread too. Florio had Andrew Kaplan from Sportsbusiness Journal on his show and Kaplan said that the NFLPA outside council has been pushing to get rid of the draft, free agency, and the salary cap in favor of pure free market system for years. The only thing holding him back in the past was Gene Upshaw who was wise enough to know that it would be stupid for most of the players he represents to do such a foolish thing. The question is whether DeMaurice Smith is wise enough to realize the same thing.

Pondering a future without the NFL Draft | ProFootballTalk


Although I believe the system is illegal without a collective bargaining agreement that allows the NFL to get around anti-trust laws I think the players would be foolish to kill off the systems in place because i think they contribute to the overall good of the game, interest in it, and revenues that result from it. If the owners were fair about it they would come up with a CBA that allowed players past, present, and future to benefit from the growth of the sport, however if the owners insist on capping the benefit the players get and taking extra revenues for themselves then i won't blame the players for seeing no interest in going forward with the system they had agreed to in past deals.
 
If he was there the deal would be done. Kraft is very good at bringing people together and closing deals quickly because he understands that most issues in business are fundamentally simple eventhough they appear complicated.

Kraft is also comfortable with the idea that he may miss being the "big winner" because he doesn't want to be the "big loser" he understands over time that trading away a big payoff for a certain payoff always wins. Guys like Jerry Jones and Steven Ross don't quite understand this principle. I'm sure Kraft wants to lower the players number but he could also make things work under the current deal because he'll create new revenue streams where guys like Mike Brown would rather sit around waiting for Kraft to do all the work while they benefit.

For those who were critisizing Mr. Kraft back in April, smart money knew who the real dealmaker and bridge builder in this league is. As Jeff Saturday said today: Saturday: Kraft helped saved football - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston
 
Great great post BPF.....I,for one, am glad you remembered to come back here and blowtorch these moronic haters.
 
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