There is NO reason to not spend cap space

[JayNM]

It begins

My revolt against Kraft is brewing

This thread is simple, with thousands of others about cap sapce. Let it reverb around the globe within the forum, grow roots and became omniscient.


it benefits NO ONE. BUT KRAFT. To have CONTINUOSLY large amount of unused cap space in Professional Football


Not financially for the team

Not for short term production

Not for long term sustainance

Not for creating marketing

Not for fans of the team

Not for Maye to improve

ONLY. KRAFT. IS. GAINING.

Get your **** together you old pervert or any and all of your fans will burn

 

[BennyBledsoe]

A) They've spent, BY FAR, the most of any team.
B) There's a salary cap floor every year, so he has to spend.
C) Owners don't get to pocket unused cap space from revenue sharing.
D) Owners lose money if their team is bad since the value of the team to the owner is in shares.

 

[JayNM]

A) They've spent, BY FAR, the most of any team.

Now combine with last 3, 5 years. For this year alone is still not enough

B) There's a salary cap floor every year, so he has to spend.

Ok...

C) Owners don't get to pocket unused cap space from revenue sharing.
D) Owners lose money if their team is bad since the value of the team to the owner is in shares.

Making him all the dumber

 

[signbabybrady]

A) They've spent, BY FAR, the most of any team.
B) There's a salary cap floor every year, so he has to spend.
C) Owners don't get to pocket unused cap space from revenue sharing.
D) Owners lose money if their team is bad since the value of the team to the owner is in shares.

 

[Bill Lee]

If there is NO reason to not spend cap space, why does any team have any of it left at all?

 

[Ring 6]

A) They've spent, BY FAR, the most of any team.
B) There's a salary cap floor every year, so he has to spend.
C) Owners don't get to pocket unused cap space from revenue sharing.
D) Owners lose money if their team is bad since the value of the team to the owner is in shares.

A) No they haven’t. Let me put it this was if 32 people have $100 to spend over 10 weeks and a few spend it all week 1 most spend $10 a week and one spend $1 a week for 9 weeks and then $60 in week 10 you can’t look at week 10 and say he spent the most.
B) no there is not a floor. There is a minimum cash expenditure over 3 years. It is easily possible to be more than $50 mill under the cap every year but still hit it
C) huh? Of course they do. They get their share and do what they want with it.
D) huh? That doesn’t even make sense.

 

[Ring 6]

If there is NO reason to not spend cap space, why does any team have any of it left at all?

There are reasons to not spend all the way up to the cap because you need a cushion. We are leaving way more than a cushion.

There COULD POSSIBLY be a reason in a given year to not spend to the cap, but it’s rare.
SF left cap space open last year to roll over for Purdy because they knew they had to sign him and didn’t want to yet.
When you have a year with a lot of cap space to burn you have to spend it smartly because contracts increase a lot from yr 1 to year 2 but you can certainly add one year contracts to improve your roster.

 

[imahobgoblin]

Oh gee I can think of a reason. We don't want the players available. Spending money just to spend money is stupid.

 

[Ring 6]

Oh gee I can think of a reason. We don't want the players available. Spending money just to spend money is stupid.

That doesn’t apply to this team last year or yet this year because there are/were many players on the roster who stink and shouldn’t be on the roster and better players available in free agency.

 

[DaBruinz]

Now combine with last 3, 5 years. For this year alone is still not enough

Ok...

Making him all the dumber

Maybe go re-read the CBA. Any money below the Cap Floor not spent gets taken back by the League and divided amongst the players who were on the Pats roster during those years.

 

[Triumph]

Its one thing if there is a plethora of stud FA WRs or OL.

When there isn't, spending to hilt inflates the market. The owners would be cutting their own throats.

 

[Ring 6]

Maybe go re-read the CBA. Any money below the Cap Floor not spent gets taken back by the League and divided amongst the players who were on the Pats roster during those years.

Maybe you should read the CBA. There is no cap floor. There is a cash spending floor and you dint even need to come close to the cap limit to hit that.

 

[EMpats]

You don’t “spend” cap space. You spend cash. And they’ve spent a lot of it. Usually year one cap cost is less than cash spent. But it will even out. They still have cash to spend, probably around 50 million based on history, but 25 million of that will go to the #4 pick.

 

[PowerRunRevival]

I completely agree with the OP, but wanted to mention one thing he hasn't. The salary cap is increasing every single year, meaning that even a bad contract doesn't negatively effect this team in the same way it would have in the past.

I'd rather have the team take a swing and miss than not spend and move the salary cap to next year, since as percentage of the cap $5 MM gives you more buying power now than the same amount would give the next year.

It seems like a lot of people care more about the value of the contracts than whether the players make the Pats better. In the current economic state of the NFL and the state of the rebuild I'd rather have the team overpay to add a player than keep the cap space available if the player makes the team better.

No one needs to go to bat for the owners wallet. NFL teams make money year over year and the value of the team as an asset also skyrockets every single year. If an NFL owner can't afford to give out large contracts they can always borrow debt against the value on the team and the team value will appreciate faster than the interest on the loan.

 

[rkarp1]

the money rolls over
wasting space is foolish. assign a player value and stay disciplined.
acknowledge that some players need to overspend to secure. Stanley, Williams, Godwin. there have been others. Gonzo will need to be done at the end of next season.

 

[PowerRunRevival]

the money rolls over
wasting space is foolish. assign a player value and stay disciplined.
acknowledge that some players need to overspend to secure. Stanley, Williams, Godwin. there have been others. Gonzo will need to be done at the end of next season.

The money rolls over, but with the cap increasing every year means that cap space now is more valuable than the same amount of cap space next year.

The amount a team pays above the value they initially assigned to a player isn't a waste, it's the difference between signing a player that improves your team or not doing so. We have seen first hand how hard it is to spend all the cap space on players with good value contracts.

To me carrying over cap space that the team isn't likely to be able to spend is more wasteful than going above an assigned player value to make sure the player ends on your team. The Milton Williams and Harold Landry deals are almost certainly above the players assigned value in the league, but I'd rather have the player than not have the player.

No need to be conservative with billionaire money!

 

[JayNM]

I dont know what to answer to the cap floor thing

Do i look like i want to spend less than the minimum???

 

[imahobgoblin]

That doesn’t apply to this team last year or yet this year because there are/were many players on the roster who stink and shouldn’t be on the roster and better players available in free agency.

As long as you are not writing the checks.

 

[Ring 6]

As long as you are not writing the checks.

Huh? Are you honestly saying that NFL owners should not spend to the cap and create the best team they can but instead put payroll money in their pockets?

 

[imahobgoblin]

Huh? Are you honestly saying that NFL owners should not spend to the cap and create the best team they can but instead put payroll money in their pockets?

Oh you can make up what ever crap you want. I said nothing of the sort. I just think its funny how you want to throw away $100 million on trash players because you are not throwing away your money. I do think we need to spend to the cap if possible. I don't think we should buy trash to make you happy.