The Pats NEED to start O'Connell next week...Cassel just cant cut it

[DaBruinz]

How would they be completely different??? I'm sorry but even if he made those catches...was he going to score a TD on any of them??? How do you logically say a play would make a difference if it doesnt have a possibility to put six on the board???

Making even one of those catches changes the course of the game. What is so hard for you to understand about that?

 

[p8ryts]

Thank you for providing us with this sad commentary about your understanding of the game of football. I have news for you. This loss is on the O-line and D-line again. Games are won and lost in the trenches and the O-line and D-line failed miserably again. To say that Cassel is the only reason the Pats lost is to say that you know absolutely NOTHING about the game of football.

There were four reasons we lost.
1. Cassel did suck and clearly can only pass for 5 yards or 50 yards, nothing in between. Opposing defenses know and are going to crowd the first 8 yards. He continually misses open receivers, doesn't know there is a tight end on the field.
2. Play calling suspect, early in the game 3rd and 2, failed run. Goal line, 1 yard line, pass on first down. Of course the play calling would have been better with a little QB execution. Plays are predictable by formation, we all know when we are going to run by formation and motion.
3. NO PASS RUSH, did anyone even hit Rivers, I didn't see it.
4. Rivers was spot on and the SD WR's hung on to the ball for a change and played well.
I'm not bashing the corners, coverage was not terrible (except for Wheatley doing 360's) SD made some good plays.

 

[DaBruinz]

Like i said before you have to be logical about this..

Did a good defense, good OL, great (maybe the greatest ever offense) all turn to ****? it's unlikely. It's far more logical to think the problem is the one variable that changed.. I expect Cassell to rebound some from this but it will be interesting to see if he plays in the second half of the season.

Sorry, but more than one variable has changed since last year.

1) The O-line: Stephen Neal has been out. Light, Mankins, Koppen, and Kaczur have not played well at all.

2) Defense: Out with Seau, Samuel, Gay. In with Mayo, Guyton, Wheatley, Wilhite, O'Neal.

3) Special Teams: Willie Andrews out. Matt Slater in.

That's just some of the basics..

This entire team has changed. And, Moss has looked only above average since game one. His fumble was very costly.

 

[DaBruinz]

Who the heck cares about the "what if spots of the ball"??? The question is would he have scored a TD on that play? The answer is NO!!! So how could you say that the play would be a difference maker???

The "WHAT IF" is more significant than you can comprehend. In fact, Randy making even one of those catches, changes the outcome of the game. Because the whole course of the game changes. Everything after that drop doesn't happen and its an entirely different game. This is clearly a concept you don't know enough about or you just can't comprehend.

 

[Sivy]

Thank you for providing us with this sad commentary about your understanding of the game of football. I have news for you. This loss is on the O-line and D-line again. Games are won and lost in the trenches and the O-line and D-line failed miserably again. To say that Cassel is the only reason the Pats lost is to say that you know absolutely NOTHING about the game of football.

Sorry bub, but a game is won and lost by its leader, and in the case of football its the qb. Even if the O line is playing bad, a good qb finds away to get a ball out quicker. Ok, I will correct my self, Cassel is 99% of the reason why the pats lost, the other 1% is becaues half the team is injured.

 

[DaBruinz]

Mmmmm...dude...here's a play by play...

1-10-SD 36 (7:22) 16-M.Cassel pass incomplete deep right to 81-R.Moss (23-Q.Jammer).
2-10-SD 36 (7:16) (Shotgun) 34-S.Morris left end to SD 36 for no gain (54-S.Cooper, 90-A.Applewhite).
3-10-SD 36 (6:34) (Shotgun) 16-M.Cassel pass short middle to 83-W.Welker to SD 31 for 5 yards (32-E.Weddle, 54-S.Cooper).
4-5-SD 31 (5:56) 3-S.Gostkowski 48 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Left, Center-66-L.Paxton, Holder-6-C.Hanson.

So Gostkowski would have an easier field goal??? LMAO

WRONG. As soon as Moss makes the catch, the other 3 plays don't happen. DIFFERENT PLAYS and results happen. They are results that we have no way of knowing. But they would be different. It may have ended up with a FG. But it could have ended up with the Pats getting a TD. Or it could have ended up with Cassel throwing another INT. The fact is that it changes the course of the game.

 

[Sivy]

People like yourself should STFU with your stupid comments. Nothing Deus said makes him a Randy Moss Hater. Nor does it make MO unintelligent. BOTH of them have more football intelligence in their pinkies than you've shown so far.

Man, 2 wrongs in a row. They sure did pin in on Moss, and they are wrong in all aspects of this argument. Personally I dont care if they have been members since 1990, and the other guy just joined. In my opinion, he is right, and MO and his buddy, (and you) in fact are wrong. So there ya have it. Go cry now.

 

[Sivy]

If people want to say the Cassel is garbage/can't play ect, go ahead. If thats your assesment fine. I will even have a tough time defending him. But to follow that up with "they should put O'connell in" is just utter freggin nonsense, What the F makes people thing that a rookie is just going to step in and fix all of these problems. Its tough for guus like Flacco (who is struggling) and Henne (who can't get on the field) and these guys are further along developmentely than O'connell

I dont think that O'connel is the answer at all, however I was calling for him to come in late in the 4th when we know that Cassel is not leading this team from behind. Why not see what the kid can do?

 

[DaBruinz]

Mmmmm...I was being facetious you tool....



Ah yeah...you're right....I'm sure you have done this plenty of times in your life time...the thing is...Moss is sorta knew at this so we should kinda give him a break...okay???

Sheeesh....How I really hate knowitalls...

So, you hate people who prove you wrong because you aren't man enough to admit that you are wrong. You have to call them "know it alls" and pretend like you didn't just get educated. Got it.

 

[DaBruinz]

Sorry bub, but a game is won and lost by its leader, and in the case of football its the qb. Even if the O line is playing bad, a good qb finds away to get a ball out quicker. Ok, I will correct my self, Cassel is 99% of the reason why the pats lost, the other 1% is becaues half the team is injured.

So, you're saying that Belichick sucks. Because its NOT the QB. BB is the leader. He is the HC.

So, thank you for your opinion. Its got no basis in reality, but thank you for it.

Sorry, but when the opposing D-line is standing next to you before you finish your drop, there is no getting it out quicker. This is what you don't understand.

And, a BACK-UP QB runs the plays that are called to him. Or he audibles off based on what he sees. But, again, if the players aren't open in those 2-3 seconds, it won't matter because there is no way to make the play.

 

[stcjones]

The same people crying here were also sure that Cassel was going to get cut in training camp. Why should I worry what you (and they) are saying when you either can't, or won't, break down the game and the play of the team and the individual players with anything approaching objectivity?

As for you, you seem to think that receivers should never have to make a catch if they need to adjust their route due to a throw. That's not intelligent, sorry.

"were also sure that Cassel was going to get cut in training camp. "

I think it is pretty obvious now that he SHOULD have been cut.......don't you think?

 

[DaBruinz]

Man, 2 wrongs in a row. They sure did pin in on Moss, and they are wrong in all aspects of this argument. Personally I dont care if they have been members since 1990, and the other guy just joined. In my opinion, he is right, and MO and his buddy, (and you) in fact are wrong. So there ya have it. Go cry now.

Sivy - You really need to work on your reading comprehension because pinning the blame on Moss is not hating on him. Which is what the poster claimed that Mo and Deus were doing. So, YOU are the one who is wrong.

Also, why go off on the idiotic tangent about when they became members? No one mentioned that either.

What have I said that's been wrong? Hmm.. I said that the game is won and lost in the trenches. That's fact. The BEST football coaches in TIME will tell you that. Hell, one only has to go back to 2000 and the Ravens team to know that. Dilfer wasn't a great leader. He just did what he was supposed to. They had a great offensive and defensive line. And that made the rest of the team better.

I've said that had Randy made those catches, as a $9 million receiver should, then the course of the game changes. And yes, I pointed to Andre Johnson's game saving play yesterday where he took the ball out of the hands of a Miami DB and made the reception. Because he adjusted and went up for the ball.

And, I've NOT said that Cassel doesn't have blame. He does. But he's not the sole reason behind the loss. As people like yourself would have everyone else believe. And, unfortunately for you, reality favors me and not you.

 

[stcjones]

Just a quick take from someone who might give an unbiased view on your QB situation. You guys may want to be careful what you wish for with O'Connell. I watched him nearly every game at State and can tell you that you may not be getting a whole lot more than Cassel. I know you wont agree, but I thought Cassel was ok tonight, made some smart decisions, but skills are still lacking and made his share of poor throws. With O'Connell, it's kind of the reverse. He's got really good skills, but makes some very bad decisions at times.

You guys had your Ferrari totalled in week 1 and now your pissed about driving your Ford Taurus rental car. Cassel will never be Brady this year or anytime real soon. Either will O'Connell. Let's face it, you've been spoiled for a long time and now you're dealing with what it means to have an average (or possibly slightly above average) QB. My point is this.... if you think O'Connell will be a savior, I think you're kidding yourself. My two cents...

I think you are dead nuts on on this one.....Okee is NOT the answer this year....way too green/raw.....Cassel is obviously NOT the answer either......I think a VET QB needs to be brought in here.....what could it hurt at this point? A guy like Culpepper for example...certainly couldn't DO ANY WORSE.....than Matt Cassel is doing......good post

 

[DaBruinz]

I dont think that O'connel is the answer at all, however I was calling for him to come in late in the 4th when we know that Cassel is not leading this team from behind. Why not see what the kid can do?

Down by 24 with 15 minutes left, no one is leading this team from behind without some outstanding defensive play.

So, why put O'Connell in unnecessarily? Why not just have Cassel play out the frame and try and build confidence up?

 

[DaBruinz]

"were also sure that Cassel was going to get cut in training camp. "

I think it is pretty obvious now that he SHOULD have been cut.......don't you think?

No. Its not "pretty obvious." Unless you are saying that they should have cut Light, Koppen, Mankins, Kaczur, and Moss as well. Oh, and Seymour, Wilfork, Warren, Hobbs, Harrison, Sanders, Meriweather, and Bruschi as well.

Seriously. If you honestly think that Brady would be doing any better when the center is ending up at the QB's feet during a shotgun snap because the NT has driven him back that far, then you just don't have an understanding of the game.

 

[stcjones]

Deus are you still defending Cassel dude? Whats your deal man?

"Deus are you still defending Cassel dude? Whats your deal man?"

this is one of those questions that will never be answered......The Bermuda Triangle, the Lochness monster, the Bigfoot phenomenon....and Deus Irae and MoLewis' man-crush on Matt "deer in the headlights" Cassel........we may never find answers to explain these things........

 

[TeamFirst]

Cassel needs to be benched. I have watched every game and have he has looked lost and out of sorts in all of them. Yeah he beat the 49ers and the Chiefs those are 2 very bad football teams.


As the defense hasn't performed either, as I understand it football is a game of momentum and Cassel and the offense have lost it everytime the defense steps it up.

Cassels' avg pass is 6.4 and he has been sacked 19 times, offensive line has been horrible at times, but how many times have we seen Tom step up step to the side and make the completion? Cassel is no Tom but it seems he can't make a second/ third read witout tapping the ball 3-5 times and getting happy feet and always goes with the first option. He has no pocket presence whatsoever. He can't throw the ball down the field. Mcdaniels has him throwing short because he can't make the 10+ yard throws as we saw last night.

This team seems like it is not responding to him as there leader. We saw it in preseason and are seeing it now. Bill Belichick has made a mistake and it is time to try something else and pick this team up.

If Cassel is this teams QB then expect a 5-11 season. We have seven tough games ahead with all better football teams right now than what we are.

 

[stcjones]

its non stop with this guy like hes had 20 different posters disagree with him i just put an end to it i cant take it lol ignore it is

make it 21!

 

[Batman]

If Cassel is this teams QB then expect a 5-11 season. We have seven tough games ahead with all better football teams right now than what we are.

Then at least we get a good draft pick to play with.

 

[stcjones]

Meh. I am a homer and I don't think Cassell is very good. This OMG your a homer bit is old. Some people don't really know football and evaluate talent poorly. It has nothing to do with being a "homer."

I doubt BB thinks Cassell is very good - he likely thinks he is just better then O'Connell at this point. I imagine he thought - hey if Tom Brady is out we aren't winning a championship so why invest a lot in a backup QB?

It's a calculated risk and it will hurt him this year but there is always next year..

The truth is despite the urge to blame everyone else on the team the QB is a critical player. He makes the defense better by keeping the offense on the field. The effect there can be pretty dramatic. He makes the running game better because the passing game becomes a threat. The entire team players better because they have confidence in their leader..

Like i said before you have to be logical about this..

Did a good defense, good OL, great (maybe the greatest ever offense) all turn to ****? it's unlikely. It's far more logical to think the problem is the one variable that changed.. I expect Cassell to rebound some from this but it will be interesting to see if he plays in the second half of the season.

"I doubt BB thinks Cassell is very good - he likely thinks he is just better then O'Connell at this point. "

Then why the f**k didn't he bring in a veteran QB to back up brady in case the worst case scenario happened?

If you know that ONE man is that valuable to the ENTIRE operation/performance of your team..........you'd damn well better prepare some kind of backup plan so that this disaster is avoided. Listen, no one is ever going to replace Brady on this team.....but a vet that could come in and at least keep the team focused and competitive and move the chains.....is what is needed......I think if they could bring in a vet and provide a much needed SPARK to the entire team.....This team is NOT getting into the playoffs with the play of the QB, OL and Defense at this point....so maybe BB is aware that there are too many holes to fill and is just going to put it in cruise and start rebuilding......I expect ALOT of tickets to pop up on ebay if that becomes obvious.......