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Re: J Gordon gave the Patriots a slit throat at 19-3.

The rules explicitly ban it, as a matter of fact.

And this is exactly why that's such a stupid rule. If the refs aren't watching for it after an 80 yard touchdown, then when are they watching for it? And if they're not watching for it, then why make it a penalty? The only other alternative is that they saw it and don't care. In either case, selective enforcement of the rule in obvious situations is far worse than not having the rule in the first place.
 
Re: J Gordon gave the Patriots a slit throat at 19-3.

can't believe this wasn't a penalty
I didn't see it, but if it did happen, then it should have been flagged and will be a penalty. The NFL is cracking down on this hard.
 
Re: J Gordon gave the Patriots a slit throat at 19-3.

Any gifs of it?
 
Re: J Gordon gave the Patriots a slit throat at 19-3.

It's not over til it's threw...
Eff it, I'm "through" with this s***...
 
Re: J Gordon gave the Patriots a slit throat at 19-3.

And this is exactly why that's such a stupid rule. If the refs aren't watching for it after an 80 yard touchdown, then when are they watching for it? And if they're not watching for it, then why make it a penalty? The only other alternative is that they saw it and don't care. In either case, selective enforcement of the rule in obvious situations is far worse than not having the rule in the first place.

Where is Meathead? He went on and on about a penalty that went unnoticed in the NO game after the Panthers flag pick up game. Dude seemed like an expert.
 
Re: J Gordon gave the Patriots a slit throat at 19-3.

Even though the refs didn't see it, the Football Gods did, and they were not happy...
You can almost hear them say, "Cue the Brady comeback."
 
Re: J Gordon gave the Patriots a slit throat at 19-3.

I don't know, but I absolutely saw him do it.

I believe you but it's not in the highlights and they did show his celebration for a while. Or maybe I missed it.
 
At some point you are going to understand that TARGETS doesn't mean jack. They don't mean jack because on plays where the ball is thrown away, they still assign a "target". What matters is receptions and what they do. And since you missed it, one of those receptions was a TD.

As I said to you the other day you can say targets don’t mean jack to me but I don’t buy it, Brady completed 61% of his passes today but his passes to Amendola were only at a 50% - it might not be the end all be all but it certainly makes a difference especially when you consider Edelman who runs similar routes (even more difficult routes) and he caught 6/9 for 66.7% today.

As far as the one catch being a touchdown, as I said in another post I am really happy to see Danny catching a 1 yard touchdown pass on which he is uncovered because the other team triple teamed the player who was slated to be his backup entering the season and double teamed the running back.

Like I said though I appreciate your optimism and hope that we’re fine without Gronkowski but let’s not kid ourselves buddy Gronkowski is a top 3 offensive weapon in the NFL (non-QB) along with Adrian Peterson (who was also carted off the field today) and Calvin Johnson Jr. that type of player isn’t just next man up. It will need to be a combination of players to fill that void.
 
Re: J Gordon gave the Patriots a slit throat at 19-3.

If the refs had seen that it would've been a 15-yard penalty. The "slit-throat" gesture was outlawed by the league years ago.
I'm not to sure about that today the way boogar and crew were calling the game. i'm not sure it would have called it if they had seen it.
 
Re: J Gordon gave the Patriots a slit throat at 19-3.

 
Go back and watch Thurman Thomas in Buffalo's offense from 1990-1996.

Have Shane Vereen do everything that Thomas was asked to do and this team will be perfectly fine without Gronkowski.
 
compounding factor is our top rookie WRs are also injured and AD was seen in a boot today. Doesnt help .
 
Go back and watch Thurman Thomas in Buffalo's offense from 1990-1996.

Have Shane Vereen do everything that Thomas was asked to do and this team will be perfectly fine without Gronkowski.

its a different league and thomas wasnt the only player they had. We have 3 rookie WRs along with a suspect oline. "Perfectly fine" without gronks is overreaching in my opinion. We had welker/woodhead/hernandez in last 2 playoff losses and still missed gronk bigtime. Lets not minimize this. He changed the offense for the 6-7 games he played this yr.
 
Re: J Gordon gave the Patriots a slit throat at 19-3.

Folks, sorry, I just got back to this thread. I didn't think it deserved a penalty because I forgot the rule against it, so I never clarified where he did it.

He didn't do it in the end zone, he did it as he was coming up the field on the Cleveland sideline after the TD. The camera was right on him, up close. It wasn't a long distance thing. It was the sideline cameraman and he was no more than 5 feet from Gordon. The whole screen was Gordon's upper body and then the throat slit gesture.
 
Pretty common theme actually, the Patriots come out run McDaniels game plan in the first half, they enter half time losing and then they come out and Brady puts the entire team on his shoulders and wills it the win. Where would we be without the brilliant half-back draw in the last 2 minutes of the game at the 1 yard line that causes us to use out last timeout I don't know but personally I look at the first half's as the 2011 St. Louis Rams then at half time Brady say hey Josh this isn’t working so well today with his GQ smile and Josh say what are you think and Brady say let’s do this, this and this and that’s what they do, but that’s just my personal belief and as you and all the other McDaniels faithful will point out I have to no proof of it, so I will save you the trouble – I have no proof of it.

As for Danny boy he is not that good, he can catch all the 1 yard undefended touchdown passes because the defense triple teamed his “backup” he wants it still doesn’t change the fact he has been one of the biggest failures of the 2013 free agent class in the entire NFL.

The second half is also McDaniels' game plan. That's why he and Brady are still seen sitting together between series and going over things. The execution during that time is simply better.
 
McDaniels is not calling dropped passes and Oline sacks in the first halves.
 
"McDaniels faithful". Funny. I call it being a Patriots fan and a believer that BB knows a damn sight more than you, me or anyone else on this thread. And the fact that he appointed McDaniels twice tells me a lot more than a person on a forum making stuff up.

As for your final paragraph, I'm really curious at your witch hunt on Amendola. Worst FA in the NFL? Good grief.

Just because you disagree with one aspect or decision doesn’t make you less of a fan. I love my wife and believe in her very much but sometimes she does things I question or have concerns with it doesn’t make me less of husband. I question it cause I care about this team and I am seeing things out of McDaniels over the last 1+ seasons that I do not think is in the best interest of the team, maybe I am wrong (hopefully I am wrong) but being a fan doesn’t make me blind to the fact that in the last few weeks Josh’s game plan has been awful in the first half and if we didn’t have the GOAT at QB we would have lost 4 straight games and 6 of their last 7 games:

Week 7: Loss @ Jets
Week 8: Down 17-3 vs. Dolphins at halftime
Week 9: Win vs. Steelers
Week 11: Loss (down 10-3 at halftime)
Week 12: Down 24-0 at halftime
Week 13: Down 17-7 at halftime
Week 14: Down 6-0 at halftime

We’ve scored 10 points in the first half since we came out of the bye week; there is a problem with the game plan and personnel decision, or the players aren’t being coached properly either way that burden falls on McDaniels first and foremost.

As far as Amendola I said one of the biggest failures of the 2013 free agent class, can you dispute this? Has his signing been a success, are there a lot of players who have been bigger failures than Amendola?

It is not a witch hunt it is an assessment based on the cost of his contract and others who received similar contracts, in that group Amendola is one of the biggest failures and if you want to say otherwise I think you should do so with some context other than “good grief”.

How I come to form my opinion is by looking at this:

Bowe
Wallace
Jennings
Welker
Amendola
Edelman
Hartline

In no particular order those were the wide receivers considered to be in the top 100 of free agent wide receivers this past off season. Amendola has the least receptions, receiving yards and touchdowns of any of them so that says to me he is the biggest failure of the wide receiver group this past offseason, now before you roll off a post of excuses I just want to say justifying an outcome does not change the outcome, I said this in a post yesterday if this summer it is revealed that Hernandez and his associates accidently killed Lloyd it does not change the fact that they killed him, maybe they will receive a lighter sentence but there will still be a sentence and some level of accountability for their actions. To expect that everything is going to perfectly according to plan and there will be no adversity to overcome is a childish conjecture, adults know that it is likely that a nagging injury or something will linger with them and impact them and they prepare to overcome it. Danny has a groin injury as does Arrington and many others in the NFL nobody promised him perfect health when he signed that contract, to whom much is given much is expected even in the face of adversity. Does Belichick accept injuries and let the team lose at will? Nope not even a little bit.
 
its a different league and thomas wasnt the only player they had. We have 3 rookie WRs along with a suspect oline. "Perfectly fine" without gronks is overreaching in my opinion. We had welker/woodhead/hernandez in last 2 playoff losses and still missed gronk bigtime. Lets not minimize this. He changed the offense for the 6-7 games he played this yr.

Agreed.

What I'm saying is that Vereen can physically mimic and mentally grasp our offense enough to be what Thomas was to Buffalo in their no-huddle offense. Both in the run and passing game. And I believe we have the receivers to mimic the production of that offense, they weren't dependent on the tight ends, (Pete Metzelars and Lonnie Johnson).

The offense will have to change, but it has the horses to be exceptional as long as the rookies can grasp it-- which at this point they've shown they can.
 
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