The Official Julian Edelman Bandwagon

[ausbacker]

Edelman at 26 and $1.5 million/yr is a better value to the TEAM than Welker at 33 and $8 million/yr.

I don't think there are many at all claiming Edelman is a better WR (or even in the same universe at WR) than Welker at this time.

If this were Major League Baseball or the NBA, the Pats would have Welker, Megatron, Larry Fitzgerald and Victor Cruz lining up with Gronk and Hernandez in the 4 WR/2TE "End of the World Offense".

.....but this is the NFL.

That's not better value if the production level isn't comparative.

Welker >>>>>>>> Edelman.

 

[LivinLovin&Breathin_Brady]

I was gonna jump on the wagon, until he injured Hernandez.

 

[IcyPatriot]

This guy deserves more credit than he's getting. I'm jumping on the bandwagon. It'll probably be lonely here, but screw it. Dude is a converted QB and has worked his way into the starting lineup of one of the best offenses ever to take an NFL field. I, for one, don't believe for a second that it's just to screw Welker confused. He's out there because he won the job and I want to see what he can do with it. Yeah, it'll take some time, but give him a chance. He might actually turn out to be worthy.

Troy Brown had 41 receptions ... his 5th year on the team. Previous high was 21 his 4th year. You never know right ... even Welker took a few years to develop.

 

[PP2]

I was gonna jump on the wagon, until he injured Hernandez.

JE was tackled and the force from that tackle caused him to roll into Hernandez's legs.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Ok, I see the Like button. Now where is the You Are a Moron button??

Reserved for fans post here who have no idea who Wes Welker was when he arrived here even six years after the fact.

 

[JJDChE]

I really like JE and he is a kind of multitool player. He is a good value. But JE has been on the field more these last two game.

Who has more catches and yards, JE or WW?

Edelman has seen more snaps than Welker this year in an offense where he isn't double covered on a consistent basis that has a lot more options in the passing offense than that Miami team did. Before this year, he was again in a better receiving corps than Welker even had in Miami and, by most accounts, he was one of the least productive WR's in the league. Welker has had better production than him across the board even though he's keyed on twice as much than Edelman ever will be.

Again, your thought process here is a flawed one.

Two games? You have to joking. Give the guy a fair chance. He's coming in trying to take looks away from established/superstar players. 6 for 57 isn't a bad start considering he's trying to pull looks from 3 All-Pro level players and a 4th pro bowl outside WR.

Welker did it with Joey Harrington/Cleo Lemon and Daunte Culpepper rotating at QB.


Enough said.

My point was he wasn't competing with the best of the best to get looks in Miami. Marty Booker, Chris Chamber and Randy McMichael. Not quite the same caliber as JE has to compete with...AH, Gronk, Lloyd and Wes?

 

[stcjones]

This guy deserves more credit than he's getting. I'm jumping on the bandwagon. It'll probably be lonely here, but screw it. Dude is a converted QB and has worked his way into the starting lineup of one of the best offenses ever to take an NFL field. I, for one, don't believe for a second that it's just to screw Welker confused. He's out there because he won the job and I want to see what he can do with it. Yeah, it'll take some time, but give him a chance. He might actually turn out to be worthy.

Agree regarding Edelman deserving much more credit.....but JULIE???? That deserves a COME ON MAN!!!!

 

[Kontradiction]

Two games? You have to joking. Give the guy a fair chance. He's coming in trying to take looks away from established/superstar players. 6 for 57 isn't a bad start considering he's trying to pull looks from 3 All-Pro level players and a 4th pro bowl outside WR.

He's had many chances since 2009. Nothing has changed. You're more than welcome to present data that states otherwise, though. And, again, when there are so many other people to divert the defense's attention around him, that's when Edelman is SUPPOSED to thrive. He's SUPPOSED to be the guy that makes the defense pay for only devoting one corner or one safety to him. He has yet to do that. Contrast that with Welker who is constantly being bracketed by the defense and STILL has more success than Edelman.

Some of you really need to get out of denial. Julian Edelman is not Wes Welker. He never was Wes Welker and he never will be Wes Welker. That's not to completely dump on the guy. He does a few things well. He's a good, solid special teamer and a good punt returner. He's versatile and can play corner on the spot when needed. He's a guy that can contribute in all three phases of the game. But, when it comes to being a receiver, he's simply not in Welker's league. Welker is the best slot receiver in the NFL right now. Edelman, by all accounts, is one of the least productive receivers in the NFL, no matter where he lines up on the field. [/rant]

 

[E1Downey]

He's had many chances since 2009. Nothing has changed. You're more than welcome to present data that states otherwise, though. And, again, when there are so many other people to divert the defense's attention around him, that's when Edelman is SUPPOSED to thrive. He's SUPPOSED to be the guy that makes the defense pay for only devoting one corner or one safety to him. He has yet to do that. Contrast that with Welker who is constantly being bracketed by the defense and STILL has more success than Edelman.

Some of you really need to get out of denial. Julian Edelman is not Wes Welker. He never was Wes Welker and he never will be Wes Welker. That's not to completely dump on the guy. He does a few things well. He's a good, solid special teamer and a good punt returner. He's versatile and can play corner on the spot when needed. He's a guy that can contribute in all three phases of the game. But, when it comes to being a receiver, he's simply not in Welker's league. Welker is the best slot receiver in the NFL right now. Edelman, by all accounts, is one of the least productive receivers in the NFL, no matter where he lines up on the field. [/rant]

Couldn't have said it any better. This is EXACTLY how i feel.

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[shmessy]

That's not better value if the production level isn't comparative.

Welker >>>>>>>> Edelman.

You don't get it.

Hernandez and Edelman for the next 8 years >>>>>>> Welker for the next 8 years.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

I'm a big fan of Edelman. I don't know if he has what it takes to be a full time WR but I guess that remains to be seen. As far as PR and fill in slot WR he's made solid contributions. Guy seems like a hard worker and a true Patriot, those guys typically stick around for a long time. I'm not sure if he'll ever become a Troy Brown for us but I think he'll stick around.

I probably sound like a broken record to some but people always tend to forget something about Edelman. In the 2009 and 2010 playoff disasters he was the only guy on offense or special teams to step up and made an impact play. If the offense was anything more than inept in either game, he likely would've been a hero in both games because in each he had big returns to set our offense up when it had chances to get back in the game, only to have us thwart those opportunities hence nobody really remembers his plays. Unfortunately last year he didn't have the same impact but he's already been proven to be pretty damn clutch IMO and there are few PR's I'd rather have.

 

[Sfpat]

Just think, using the Patsfan criteria, the Giants would have cut Ramses Bardon long ago since he has clearly been a bust (only 16 catches in three years prior to last night). Some guys get buried in the depth chart with no fault other than there are other really good players in front of them. But according to the criteria of some on this board, good, young players are not allowed to be on the roster as depth. Maybe that's why when the Giants lose two receivers, they put the young guy in and don't miss a beat while the Pats lose a player and the offense falls apart.

 

[Kontradiction]

Just think, using the Patsfan criteria, the Giants would have cut Ramses Bardon long ago since he has clearly been a bust (only 16 catches in three years prior to last night). Some guys get buried in the depth chart with no fault other than there are other really good players in front of them. But according to the criteria of some on this board, good, young players are not allowed to be on the roster as depth. Maybe that's why when the Giants lose two receivers, they put the young guy in and don't miss a beat while the Pats lose a player and the offense falls apart.

Edelman has had as many, if not more, chances to make an impact as Barden has. Barden is CLEARLY showed more. And who is advocating to cut Edelman?

 

[BradyManny]

Just think, using the Patsfan criteria, the Giants would have cut Ramses Bardon long ago since he has clearly been a bust (only 16 catches in three years prior to last night). Some guys get buried in the depth chart with no fault other than there are other really good players in front of them. But according to the criteria of some on this board, good, young players are not allowed to be on the roster as depth. Maybe that's why when the Giants lose two receivers, they put the young guy in and don't miss a beat while the Pats lose a player and the offense falls apart.

Barden had 9 catches for 94 yards last season in 134 snaps. Edelman had 4 catches for 34 yards in 117 snaps. Even accounting for these small sample sizes, Barden produced twice what Edelman did.

The Patriots offense put Edelman into the slot in 2009 and he was productive because he is a good slot receiver. Since then, when he has been on the outside, he has NOT been productive. I don't see how people are arguing with this clear statement of fact.

 

[Froob]

Edelman at 26 and $1.5 million/yr is a better value to the TEAM than Welker at 33 and $8 million/yr.

I don't think there are many at all claiming Edelman is a better WR (or even in the same universe at WR) than Welker at this time.

If this were Major League Baseball or the NBA, the Pats would have Welker, Megatron, Larry Fitzgerald and Victor Cruz lining up with Gronk and Hernandez in the 4 WR/2TE "End of the World Offense".

.....but this is the NFL.

Yeah but Welker can easily be the difference between a 1st round exit and a championship. Getting good value is important and all but just dumping one of the greatest possession receivers of all time is going to hurt.

 

[Sfpat]

Edelman has had as many, if not more, chances to make an impact as Barden has. Barden is CLEARLY showed more. And who is advocating to cut Edelman?

There have been many threads that advocate cutting Edelman and other young players (Tate, Brace, Cunningham, and just about every other young player who doesn't make the pro bowl out of their first camp). It's one of the primary topics on this board.

 

[JJDChE]

He's had many chances since 2009. Nothing has changed. You're more than welcome to present data that states otherwise, though.

The whole point is that there is no data. Use snap counts from the last few years if you want, but that data is garbage. First of all, were all those snaps pass downs? Second, what option was he when he was in the game? How many times was he the first or second option when he was on the field? Brady is great at going through is progressions, but in reality the play is going to the #1 or #2 option 90% of the time. Particularly when the top few options are great players.

And, again, when there are so many other people to divert the defense's attention around him, that's when Edelman is SUPPOSED to thrive. He's SUPPOSED to be the guy that makes the defense pay for only devoting one corner or one safety to him. He has yet to do that. Contrast that with Welker who is constantly being bracketed by the defense and STILL has more success than Edelman.

Two games. He's caught all but one of his targets, I think. Give him a legit shot.

Some of you really need to get out of denial. Julian Edelman is not Wes Welker. He never was Wes Welker and he never will be Wes Welker.

Who is saying he's Wes Welker? I don't think ANYONE has EVER said that.

That's not to completely dump on the guy. He does a few things well. He's a good, solid special teamer and a good punt returner. He's versatile and can play corner on the spot when needed. He's a guy that can contribute in all three phases of the game. But, when it comes to being a receiver, he's simply not in Welker's league. Welker is the best slot receiver in the NFL right now. Edelman, by all accounts, is one of the least productive receivers in the NFL, no matter where he lines up on the field. [/rant]

Your assessment is premature.

'By all accounts'...puh-lease. I'm certain that isn't Bill Belichick's account of the situation. What do you think?

 

[JJDChE]

Yeah but Welker can easily be the difference between a 1st round exit and a championship. Getting good value is important and all but just dumping one of the greatest possession receivers of all time is going to hurt.

In case you didn't notice...it's week 3.

 

[Sfpat]

Barden had 9 catches for 94 yards last season in 134 snaps. Edelman had 4 catches for 34 yards in 117 snaps. Even accounting for these small sample sizes, Barden produced twice what Edelman did.

The Patriots offense put Edelman into the slot in 2009 and he was productive because he is a good slot receiver. Since then, when he has been on the outside, he has NOT been productive. I don't see how people are arguing with this clear statement of fact.

So you're comparing an outside receiver who runs deeper routes with a QB who can throw deeper routes against one used in the slot with a QB who can't throw deeper routes (look up the stats). And you're comparing one season's stats for a sub but ignoring previous seasons (you know, when Edelman did perform when asked to step up). I don't think 16 catches in three years for an outside receiver would be considered good production by posters on this board (exibit A is Brandon Tate).

 

[Huckleberry1]

The minute Welker signed the franchise tag, he lost all negotiating leverage whatsoever.

The franchise team requires the team applying to bargain in good faith, the Patriots never did that and had Welker challenged it then through arbitration then it would have been removed and he would have gotten a deal that reflects his value, 5-6 years 50 million would have been fair market value for a player who has outproduced every other receiver in football for the past 5 years. people hear can be as outraged as they want by my saying that but no-one can look at his production and argue otherwise. The Patriots put the franchise tag on him because they knew other teams would offer him deals they would not be willing to match and they were not going to take that chance, good move on their part, where they failed was in living up to the requirements of that tag under the CBA and never bargaining in good faith, scumbag move o their part. The franchise tag was designed to give teams an extended opportunity to make a deal with their best players, not to simply deny those players the opportunity to test the open market, which is what the Patriots did. The drunks, crackheads, and fanboys around here are those who suggest they did live up to their obligations under the CBA and shriek that he should have taken whatever he was offered.