The Official Jets at Patriots Post-Game Thread

[DaBruinz]

What difference does it make? If these are the hairs that need to be split that decide the outcome of a game at home against the 2012 jets, then you have major problems.

The 2012 pats are the most poorly coached team in the BB era

No one is splitting hairs.

As for the 2012 Pats being the most poorly coached team in the BB era, sorry, you don't know that. In fact, 2005 this team was pretty poorly coached. Hell, none of us know how they are being coached so how can you say they are being coached poorly?

Is the play-calling on the offense in question? Sure. I can't argue with that. McDaniels gets away from what is working and then goes to a different set of personnel and tries to make that work and never goes back to what was working. He seems to get caught up in himself thinking that certain plays (like 2 screens in a row) will magically work when the other team hasn't been blitzing.

On the defensive side of the ball, the Pats have gone vanilla. Probably because of how young the team is. When you've got 4 rookies and a second year player with low amount of snaps starting, you can't go real complex. Not when nearly half the defense doesn't fully know all the defensive schemes or can't execute them properly yet. Some of the schemes take years to learn. We've been TOLD that by guys like Bruschi, McGinest, Vrabel and Harrison. Do you think they said this just because?

Is there room for improvement? Yep. I've not said otherwise. But to make bold statements like yours when you clearly can't know it, well, that's just plain silly.

 

[Patstopia]

We can live and even thrive with this defense. We cannot keep playing trick or treat with the offense. We need to concentrate on what we do well and stop the stupid drive ending tricks. Why march 60 yards then change to crap play calling. McD needs a slap up side of the head, stop over thinking it!

 

[neuronet]

So why did Ninko try to run with the fumble recovery?

He was trying to give me a heart attack. That guy just hates me.

 

[jsull87]

The usual script when we are up by fewer than 7 at the end of the 4th:
1) Get the ball.
2) Go three and out
3) Let them kill our secondary
4) Lose the game

We didn't do number 4 today, thank goodness.

The 'win is a win' crowd is a bit strange. Yes, in terms of the standings, that is all that matters. But that doesn't mean you don't worry about what you could do better. You think BB says a win is a win, and doesn't look at the tape? He is going to be serving a lot of humble pie tomorrow.

Our secondary was better than last week, so that is good. They seemed to be looking for the ball a bit more. They obviously listened to my posts here.

Let's hope for a win against the Rams, and perhaps Josh McDaniels will stop calling silly trick plays every game, Lloyd catches the accurate passes, and we can get a higher red zone percentage after a breather.

Happy with the win, yes, but I was a lot happier after 45-3.

I don't think people who are happy with the win are not worried about the areas we need to improve.

But as you pointed out this game was a game where we broke the trend recently of losing close games. There are still some glaring weaknesses for this team but as it stands right now Brady, Gostowski and our D would have gotten some much needed confidence out of this game and how they played come the end of the 4th and OT.

 

[JMarr]

Glad for the win but worried that this team isn't going anywhere.

There is a serious coaching and/or locker room problem going on. Don't think I've seen this team so flat and uninterested since they got Wildcatted by Miami a few years ago.

I'm much more worried about the intermediate/deep passing game than I am with the secondary. It's just not going to be there this year. McDaniels has no choice but to go to a heavy ground game to try to open things up downfield. Hopefully we have the horses for it. (Ridley looked like dog***** today). Hopefully Bolden gets back soon.

 

[MUFC7]

No one is splitting hairs.

As for the 2012 Pats being the most poorly coached team in the BB era, sorry, you don't know that. In fact, 2005 this team was pretty poorly coached. Hell, none of us know how they are being coached so how can you say they are being coached poorly?

Is the play-calling on the offense in question? Sure. I can't argue with that. McDaniels gets away from what is working and then goes to a different set of personnel and tries to make that work and never goes back to what was working. He seems to get caught up in himself thinking that certain plays (like 2 screens in a row) will magically work when the other team hasn't been blitzing.

On the defensive side of the ball, the Pats have gone vanilla. Probably because of how young the team is. When you've got 4 rookies and a second year player with low amount of snaps starting, you can't go real complex. Not when nearly half the defense doesn't fully know all the defensive schemes or can't execute them properly yet. Some of the schemes take years to learn. We've been TOLD that by guys like Bruschi, McGinest, Vrabel and Harrison. Do you think they said this just because?

Is there room for improvement? Yep. I've not said otherwise. But to make bold statements like yours when you clearly can't know it, well, that's just plain silly.

The job of a HC is to make this team work. He had a big say in drafting most of these players. It was his decision to not bring in a known Safety and paying starter money to a Charger special teams player. There were some good CBs in the FA market or per trade. If they are this D is too young and lacks talent in the secondary it's mostly his fault. Try to make better schemes that is easier to learn for the D but still being effective. I'm sorry but after years of watching poor secondary play and still no sight of improvement there are some questions to be answered.

 

[ROHAN KLEMM]

A few who would you rather have for the Pats.


Shane Vereen or Joe McKnight

Stephen Hill or Brandon Lloyd

Kyle Wilson or Devin McCourty

Shonn Greene or Brandon Bolden

Vlad Ducasse or ........... 5th round pick

Yeremiah Bell / LaRon Landry or Patrick Chung

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

I think you are right......Arrington is one of the worst CB here overall since Duane Starks. The guy is CONSTANTLY getting BEAT or outplayed.......and is ALWAYS Late to the party. I think he needs to go......Hell Dennard can't be that much worse than him

Moore is still better than Arrington and plays his man closer than Dennard has so far.

Moore knows how to knock a ball loose and has forced TOs before.

Sterling Moore is definately a JAG but the other two are not any better.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Glad for the win but worried that this team isn't going anywhere.

There is a serious coaching and/or locker room problem going on. Don't think I've seen this team so flat and uninterested since they got Wildcatted by Miami a few years ago.

I'm much more worried about the intermediate/deep passing game than I am with the secondary. It's just not going to be there this year. McDaniels has no choice but to go to a heavy ground game to try to open things up downfield. Hopefully we have the horses for it. (Ridley looked like dog***** today). Hopefully Bolden gets back soon.

He did average about 4 yds per carry, no one really looked good today except maybe Ghost but they did pull a victory from the jaws of defeat.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Negatives from today's game

Hernandez was wide open on that flea flicker, but those are curable mistakes.

But Brady had no way to step up because the O-line was collapsing. McDonald couldn't handle Devito so Brady had to throw it away.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

Re: Negatives from today's game

Lloyd was brought in to be the receiver to stretch the field and ultimately open things up for welker. They tried a few times today but ultimately it didn't happen.

Ha. Lloyd is slow and rarely gets open. And not just against the Jets but most CBs seem to be able to stay with him step for step. The plays he makes are because of incredible catches when covered.

 

[upstater1]

No he wasn't

Brady did his job at the end, but this game shouldn't have been close, and certainly should have never gone to OT.

Brady played really well today.

On the money.

Moved around the pocket well.

Big drops by Gronk, Hernandez, two by Lloyd on long throws and Welker gave up on a ball. Shouldn't have.

 

[Patstopia]

A few who would you rather have for the Pats.


Shane Vereen or Joe McKnight

Stephen Hill or Brandon Lloyd

Kyle Wilson or Devin McCourty

Shonn Greene or Brandon Bolden

Vlad Ducasse or ........... 5th round pick

Yeremiah Bell / LaRon Landry or Patrick Chung

I'll take all ours except for McKnight, by a mile!

 

[brady77]

Just got back from the game. Place absolutely ERUPTED when Sanchez fumbled.

 

[the Patriot]

Re: Negatives from today's game

But Brady had no way to step up because the O-line was collapsing. McDonald couldn't handle Devito so Brady had to throw it away.

Yeah, the runningback took too long pitching the ball back, but I thought Brady could have made an attempt.

Spoiler

I love flea flickers.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Happy with the win is ok but this win is like getting a deep cut laceration and covering it up with a large towel,it would slow down the bleeding for awhile but once the towel is removed,it's likely still bleeding underneath.

This team needs stitches to cover the wound but I don't see a doctor in this secondary.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

Glad for the win but worried that this team isn't going anywhere.

There is a serious coaching and/or locker room problem going on. Don't think I've seen this team so flat and uninterested since they got Wildcatted by Miami a few years ago.

It is not a coaching problem when you don't have any WRs. The Patriots WRs cannot get open. It is hard to coach around that. What would you suggest? A single wing offense with no WRs? Hmmmmm ..

 

[WestCoastPatriot]

We stole that one, absolutely stole it. The Jets dominated the yards most of the game and we were honestly lucky to even had a shot in the end. I'll take it though.

I don't think we stole it at all. Yards are not points, This defense has given up yards for years, so does Green Bay. What both those defenses do (when they're on point) is bend and not break. Outside of the red zones they attempt to deceive QBs and force turnovers. Yards Allowed is one of the most overrated stats in football, the Jets gained yards, and then they kicked field goals. Red zone efficiency, offense and defensive is critical, yards are not. I thought this was were the Pats showed their superiority, especially on offense.

The Jets fought hard and they deserve credit for that, but the Pats need to be better, quickly. Their offense has to improve, and I think a big problem right now is Josh McDaniels. I hated the way this game was called offensively. What I saw was a team that put themselves into too many 3rd and longs and getting away from plays that seemed to work almost everytime they ran them. I thought the quick no huddle short passing game was cutting them to pieces, I'd have liked to have seen more.

The defense needs to toughen up against the run on short yardage plays. Perhaps I don't give the Jets enough credit, but I look back to the Tennessee game and then I look at this one and I just feel this is an area they can improve with effort. The Jets have typically run off tackle, this game they reliably ran off their guards in short yardage and were successful each time. Belichick is a genius and I think the talent is there to get the front 7 fixed before the postseason, which isn't unusual with defenses in recent years.

The area that concerns me far more is the secondary.Starting with the safeties (I know they're backups) who let the last TD get behind them in Seattle. Then looking at this game, I think this is the biggest problem the Pats have. I'm worried we just don't have the talent. McCourty never made that step forward we all hoped for after his rookie year. Arrington is streaky. I like Sterling Moore, Chung is a great player and I think they have some players who will improve but something is missing. Unlike the front seven, I think the problem may be personnel, specially at Corner. Too many mistakes. Way too many defensive holding calls on the corners.

Anyhow, this is the rant of a concerned superfan who's spent too much time in the game and let what started as a small opinion on a forum turn into a full diagnosis of the team.
Slainte

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

Re: Negatives from today's game

I think the biggest negative is at again, the coaching is the biggest weakness.

Mcdaniels needs to go......I don't know what the alternative is, but he needs to go

That's ridiculous. The problem is that he does not have the players. No matter how good the coaching is you cannot cover up when you do not have the players. The WRs could not get open and Jets knew it. It allowed them to concentration on slot receivers and the TEs....

Brady would drop back and then have no one to pass to...

 

[DaBruinz]

i have a question about cunningham's sack at the end of the game. i thought you were not able to tackle the qb from the ground. i can't remember if he was blocked into that position. anyone know why it was legal?

You are not allowed to lunge at the QBs knees from the ground. But you can still tackle the QB by grabbing his ankles, which is what Cunningham did.