The Most Overrated Coaches In The NFL

[NinjaZX6R]

Loved this comment from PFT comment section.

Well at least he (Rex) beat Bill at something

 

[FosterTheSkins]

The debate in many circles regarding the Pats dynastic run has been who is most responsible for it, Belichick or Brady? Haters often point to BB's Cleveland record as "proof" he's nothing without Tom Terrific. This poll could just be illustrating how players would vote that the player is most responsible for the success and not the coaching.

Personally, I believe it's both.

Bill has won without Tom. When Brady had a season ending injury in the first game of the year some time ago Cassell came in and the Pats didn't miss a beat.

Cassell went on to get traded to the Chiefs and we all know who that turned out for him. :bricks:

 

[Avenger]

Bill has won without Tom. When Brady had a season ending injury in the first game of the year some time ago Cassell came in and the Pats didn't miss a beat.

Cassell went on to get traded to the Chiefs and we all know who that turned out for him. :bricks:

Cassell got a pro bowl selection with the Chiefs when he had a competent OC.

 

[goheels22002]

Norv Turner should be number one.

Norv would be near the top of a list of lowest rated coaches.

 

[goheels22002]

You can't win consistantly without a top 10 quarterback even if you're the best coach of all time..

What about 2008 when the Patriots went 11-5 with a guy who never played in college?

 

[Deus Irae]

What about 2008 when the Patriots went 11-5 with a guy who never played in college?

They missed the playoffs with a team that had gone undefeated the season before.

 

[RodThePat]

What about 2008 when the Patriots went 11-5 with a guy who never played in college?

They had the best team in the NFL, faced by far the easiest schedule in the league and lost to pretty much every single competitive team they faced. And they missed the playoffs.

The 2008 Patriots were a serious threat to go undefeated again with Brady under center. There was a very noticeable dropoff in production, when you consider they had pretty much the same squad that was a play away from going 19-0 the year before. I'm pretty confident in saying that team would've won more games with McDaniels/Brady than they did with Belichick/Cassel.

 

[goheels22002]

They missed the playoffs with a team that had gone undefeated the season before.

That's not a revelation. The '08 Patriots is also the team with the best win-loss record ever to miss the playoffs.

The response was to the poster who made the blanket statement that you cannot win consistently without a top ten QB, as if Bill Belichick and his coaching staff didn't do a helluva job '08.

The idea that Belichick and his coaching staff are overrated is absurd. They've turned this roster over almost entirely - twice - since 2001 and the Pats have been consistent winners. The coaching staff and front office have also undergone complete makeovers. The only coach there for the whole time is Dante Scarnecchia (who I think should one day get into the HOF.)

That "A Football Life" on the 1995 Browns made me think about what the Browns might have been had Art Modell worked out a deal with the Cleveland Indians to share stadium and parking revenues. The Browns would have stayed, Belichick, Mangini, Ferentz, Saban and Lombardi and those guys would have worked together and probably become the late 90s version of the Patriots. Modell was a committe owner.

The NFL is a coach's league in many ways, like college basketball. Certain guys know what they are doing and can build teams and prepare them for their opponents and the rigors of an NFL season. Belichick is among the top five all-time.

 

[goheels22002]

They had the best team in the NFL, faced by far the easiest schedule in the league and lost to pretty much every single competitive team they faced. And they missed the playoffs.

The 2008 Patriots were a serious threat to go undefeated again with Brady under center. There was a very noticeable dropoff in production, when you consider they had pretty much the same squad that was a play away from going 19-0 the year before. I'm pretty confident in saying that team would've won more games with McDaniels/Brady than they did with Belichick/Cassel.

This is like playing multiple games of chess.

I don't disagree with anything you said.

The question is: Let's say Brady stays healthy and Belichick is out for the entire 2008 season, what would be the 2008 Patriots record?

 

[Kid~Brady]

New York Jets' Rex Ryan responds to 'overrated' vote - NFL.com

"At the end of the year, we'll see who's overrated," Ryan said -- sounding much more like the man we know and love.

 

[RodThePat]

This is like playing multiple games of chess.

I don't disagree with anything you said.

The question is: Let's say Brady stays healthy and Belichick is out for the entire 2008 season, what would be the 2008 Patriots record?

Probably 13-3 or 14-2. The offense is what won games for that team, and pretty much every important contributor on that side of the ball was coming back from 2007. I don't think their performance would drop significantly without Belichick. The defense might be even worse, but with that schedule and with the offense clicking, it wouldn't be enough to make them lose 4 or more games.

I think with both Belichick and Brady that team could've been undefeated, though.

 

[ExiledBostonPat]

New York Jets' Rex Ryan responds to 'overrated' vote - NFL.com

Well, I reckon we will see who is overrated indeed, and my prediction is that it will be that bloviating Blabbagutz Toesuck McGobbler.

 

[Deus Irae]

That's not a revelation. The '08 Patriots is also the team with the best win-loss record ever to miss the playoffs.

The response was to the poster who made the blanket statement that you cannot win consistently without a top ten QB, as if Bill Belichick and his coaching staff didn't do a helluva job '08...

They missed the playoffs with a team that went 16-0 the year before, despite having a much easier schedule.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

They missed the playoffs with a team that went 16-0 the year before, despite having a much easier schedule.

It wasn't the same team. Never is. And in this case just one change (at QB) made a world of difference.

Players always want to think it's all about talent. Coaches always want to think it's all about what they get out of talent or in the absence of a ton of it.

Over rated head coaches should be those who are highly touted by impressionable mediots and over compensated by desperate ownerships yet consistently assemble and field teams that underperform reasonable expectations. Shannahan, Reid, Fisher, Gruden until he opted out, even Parcell's once he left the Giants or was seperated from his DC. Rex. Guys who live on perceived rep. Sometimes circumstances flumox good coaches, but in most of these cases they weilded sufficient control and flumoxed themselves. Most of them are also essentially one sided wonders. And some like Coughlin and Tomlin essentially ride the wave or inherited one designed to be ridden.

Belichick has consistently proven he can compensate for lack of elite talent. Doesn't mean he always wins without it or when talent fails to execute, but then who does. I think players are right to finally get that Rex can't save you. Neither can Andy. In fact they may make matters worse for you. Bill on the other hand has proved more than once that he can, and I think it's ego talking when players say he's over rated.

 

[Deus Irae]

It wasn't the same team. Never is. And in this case just one change (at QB) made a world of difference....

Thats the point:

What about 2008 when the Patriots went 11-5 with a guy who never played in college?