The mediots going off on "The Welker Situation" thread.(Merged)

[BradyFTW!]

Re: Jackie MacMullan: Patriots don't look like themselves

The Patriots have always (except for 2007) been good for at least one, usually more, mind-boggling losses that objectively shouldn't have happened. That's just the nature of the NFL in general. Hopefully the Arizona loss was an aberration--as these types of losses usually are--and not a trend.

Dunno what else there is to be said, really, except that MacMullan's assertion that this is unique to 2012 is wrong. Criticism is fine, and warranted after a performance like that, but it should be confined to things that are at least debatable, and not provably false.

 

[BradyFTW!]

I hope Welker plays 100% of the snaps on Sunday to end this overblown and overhyped story.

So we can get a week of stories about how it took a loss for Belichick to grudgingly come to his senses and stop being an arrogant control freak? No matter what happens this week, the media will find a way to spin it as showing how right they were to call out Belichick.

 

[SVN]

Jackie mcmullan also picked the jets to win the sunday night game last yr after the giants loss saying "darkest days for the brady/belichick era" yet. The local media writers are also tired of lack of drama with this team over the decade. So any loss or anything minutely -ve to talk about the team they look forward to and along with reporting the facts take liberties of writing their own opinions which are uninformed. Its not like the redsox where sources are leaking info everywhere . Here BB doesnt even confirm or deny any rumor you present to him so they just keep extrapolating their opinions.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Jackie mcmullan also picked the jets to win the sunday night game last yr after the giants loss saying "darkest days for the brady/belichick era" yet. The local media writers are also tired of lack of drama with this team over the decade. So any loss or anything minutely -ve to talk about the team they look forward to and along with reporting the facts take liberties of writing their own opinions which are uninformed. Its not like the redsox where sources are leaking info everywhere . Here BB doesnt even confirm or deny any rumor you present to him so they just keep extrapolating their opinions.

Shes great at writing personal interest stories but talking about whats happening on the field isnt her forte.

 

[nekromantique]

Re: The mediots going off on "The Welker Situation" thread.

It's odd:

Smith is usually sensible about everything but the Patriots.

Skip is usually delusional about everything, except the Patriots.

skip is pretty delusional about the pats and brady as well...

thought they were gonna run the table aside from thanksgiving at new york.

The Patriots have always (except for 2007) been good for at least one, usually more, mind-boggling losses that objectively shouldn't have happened.

as last years early game against the bills showed.

 

[PlainOldEd]

This has got to be the least interesting big story ever. It makes me cringe that this is as saturated in local and national news as it is.

I love it. It's times like this that they play their best. I predicted them to win big last week, but I was actually getting nervous leading up to the game because almost everyone had them by 2 tds, and that is usually when they F up.

 

[Silver Blue&Red]

Re: The mediots going off on "The Welker Situation" thread.

skip is pretty delusional about the pats and brady as well...

thought they were gonna run the table aside from thanksgiving at new york.



as last years early game against the bills showed.

I kinda like Skip. Yea, I know, but I do think he is a homer Pats fan (Most of trhe time). I like hearing nice things about the Pats.

 

[BradyManny]

Re: Jackie MacMullan: Patriots don't look like themselves

This team has been built around the offense since 2006. This great defense you're talking about resulted in a loss to the Cardinals. If you didn't think the media was going to address a loss like this, you haven't been following the media for the past 50 years.

I expected the media and fanbase to freak out. I guess I didn't expect someone with normally higher standards like Jackie MacMullan to put forth something so overwrought, but she's a basketball writer writing on football, so I guess nothing should surprise me.

If the Pats get crushed by Baltimore Sunday night, maybe then we can start to question things. I have a feeling it will be quite the opposite. The offense moved the ball and just didn't execute when it mattered. That has happened here and there over the last several years and not become a trend, I don't expect it to become a trend this year.

 

[Kontradiction]

Re: Jackie MacMullan: Patriots don't look like themselves

The Patriots have always (except for 2007) been good for at least one, usually more, mind-boggling losses that objectively shouldn't have happened. That's just the nature of the NFL in general. Hopefully the Arizona loss was an aberration--as these types of losses usually are--and not a trend.

Dunno what else there is to be said, really, except that MacMullan's assertion that this is unique to 2012 is wrong. Criticism is fine, and warranted after a performance like that, but it should be confined to things that are at least debatable, and not provably false.

Even in 2007 there was almost a mind-boggling loss to the hapless (at the time) Ravens. If not for Rexy taking an ill advised time out and Bart Scott going full ******, the Pats very well could have lost that game.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Jackie MacMullan: Patriots don't look like themselves

The Patriots have always (except for 2007) been good for at least one, usually more, mind-boggling losses that objectively shouldn't have happened. That's just the nature of the NFL in general. Hopefully the Arizona loss was an aberration--as these types of losses usually are--and not a trend.

Dunno what else there is to be said, really, except that MacMullan's assertion that this is unique to 2012 is wrong. Criticism is fine, and warranted after a performance like that, but it should be confined to things that are at least debatable, and not provably false.

This was a regular season loss because of complete offensive ineptitude. Outside of the losses against the Ryan brothers, this hadn't happened to a Brady led Patriots team since 2006.

 

[Danger Zone]

Re: Jackie MacMullan: Patriots don't look like themselves

This was a regular season loss because of complete offensive ineptitude. Outside of the losses against the Ryan brothers, this hadn't happened to a Brady led Patriots team since 2006.

Your point being that this had never happened before.. except for the times it did?

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Jackie MacMullan: Patriots don't look like themselves

Your point being that this had never happened before.. except for the times it did?

You're kidding, right?

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Jackie MacMullan: Patriots don't look like themselves

This was a regular season loss because of complete offensive ineptitude. Outside of the losses against the Ryan brothers, this hadn't happened to a Brady led Patriots team since 2006.

Apparently you missed the regular season game vs. the Giants last year where the Pats was pretty much shutdown in the first half other than a field goal on a drive that started on the Pats' 49 yard line. Brady went 28 for 49 for 342 yards, 2 TDs, and 2 INTs. The Pats lost this game eventhough the defense shut out the Giants in the first half and other than one drive in the second half shut them down until the last two drives in the fourth quarter because they lost three starters late in the game.

Last time I checked, there isn't a Ryan brother on the Giants.

Here is an exerpt from the ESPN write up of that game:

The offense was so bad that fans booed when Brady threw an incompletion with 8:30 left in the third quarter.

New York Giants vs. New England Patriots - Recap - November 06, 2011 - ESPN

Also, you must have missed the Saints game in 2009 where Brady threw for 236 yards, 0 TDs, and 2 INTs. The defense sucked in that game too, but the Saints shut down the Pats' offense in that game.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Jackie MacMullan: Patriots don't look like themselves

Apparently you missed the regular season game vs. the Giants last year where the Pats was pretty much shutdown in the first half other than a field goal on a drive that started on the Pats' 49 yard line. Brady went 28 for 49 for 342 yards, 2 TDs, and 2 INTs. The Pats lost this game eventhough the defense shut out the Giants in the first half and other than one drive in the second half shut them down until the last two drives in the fourth quarter because they lost three starters late in the game.

Here is an exerpt from the ESPN write up of that game:



New York Giants vs. New England Patriots - Recap - November 06, 2011 - ESPN

I didn't miss the game. The offense wasn't completely inept, it was just turning the ball over (lost turnover battle 4-2). The Patriots just lost to the Cardinals despite winning the turnover battle and only having the one turnover at the start of the game.

2011 loss to the Giants - 4-2 turnover battle loss
2010 lost to the Jets - 3-0 turnover battle loss
2010 loss to the Browns - 3-1 turnover battle loss


2012 loss to the Cardinals - 2-1 turnover battle victory

However, in going back and looking at each game, I did miss another game with complete offensive ineptitude. The 2009 game against the Broncos, in the season where Brady was still recovering from his ACL injury, is another one.

Still, 2007, 2010 and 2011 did not have any game that matched this one in terms of the offensive ineptitude.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Jackie MacMullan: Patriots don't look like themselves

I didn't miss the game. The offense wasn't completely inept, it was just turning the ball over (lost turnover battle 4-2). The Patriots just lost to the Cardinals despite winning the turnover battle and only having the one turnover at the start of the game. Are we really going to play this out?

So if you take away the four turnovers, the offense was awesome.

Brady only completed 57.1% of his passes in that game. He completed 60.9% of his passes on Sunday. The fact of the matter is both games the offense moved the ball outside the 20s, but stalled drives inside the 20s.

And you must have missed my revised post adding the Saints game in 2009. Luckily for the Pats, they haven't lost too many Brady led games in the regular since 2006.

 

[Rob0729]

Also, let's not forget the Broncos game in 2010. Although the Pats came into the game hot, the offense fell apart in the second half. In the second half, these are their drives:

3 plays for 6 yards, punt
6 plays for 44 yards, missed field goal
13 plays for 49 yards, punt
3 plays for 6 yards, punt
3 plays for 15 yards, fumble lost

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Jackie MacMullan: Patriots don't look like themselves

So if you take away the four turnovers, the offense was awesome.

Brady only completed 57.1% of his passes in that game. He completed 60.9% of his passes on Sunday. The fact of the matter is both games the offense moved the ball outside the 20s, but stalled drives inside the 20s.

And you must have missed my revised post adding the Saints game in 2009. Luckily for the Pats, they haven't lost too many Brady led games in the regular since 2006.

There's a difference between the offense being completely inept, and the offense being awesome/great/good/bad outside of turning the ball over.

And, in the Saints game, the Patriots had the lead and were moving the ball on the Saints until Brady got picked.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Jackie MacMullan: Patriots don't look like themselves

There's a difference between the offense being completely inept, and the offense being awesome/great/good/bad outside of turning the ball over.

And, in the Saints game, the Patriots had the lead and were moving the ball on the Saints until Brady got picked.

In the Saints game, the Pats got a 7-3 lead from 3:34 minutes left in the first quarter until a little over two minutes into the second quarter. So the Pats had the lead in the game for a grand total of 5 minutes and 39 seconds in the game in a 60 minute game. From there on out, the Saints pretty much dominated the game. I'm sorry, you are right the offense was on fire in that game.

The Pats weren't completely inept on Sunday. They gained nearly 400 yards (387 yards). They weren't good, but a completely inept offense can't get 300 yards nevermind 13 yards short of 400 yards.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Breer's take on the Welker situation. I only post it because he talked to multiple FO and scouting contacts and got the same reaction, looks like a plan to move on that possibly had trade overtones and Edleman is no Welker or replacement Welker. He thinks it's business related. I think that is part of it, but it's really a concerted effort to move on for financial and perceived strategic reasons largely tied to how they view Hernandez. Who has yet to play a full season, but whatever.

And he states he has spoken to people close to Welker and despite spouting the public team first game plan all for one and one for all company line blather the process has gotten increasingly more difficult for Wes.

I just read Reiss' chat and what galls me is he not only doesn't debunk the missed time in camp baloney, it was one practice day for a family funeral, he now states as if fact that Welker didn't have a great camp - when all reports at the time were to the contrary. Same old Wes was the common observation. He missed out on game time just like Deion missed out on it and on team reps in camp, not because of injury but seemingly by design.

Week 3 predictions: Will Patriots reincorporate Wes Welker? - NFL.com

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Also, let's not forget the Broncos game in 2010. Although the Pats came into the game hot, the offense fell apart in the second half. In the second half, these are their drives:

3 plays for 6 yards, punt
6 plays for 44 yards, missed field goal
13 plays for 49 yards, punt
3 plays for 6 yards, punt
3 plays for 15 yards, fumble lost

Teams lose games every week for lots of reasons. Just doens't happen that often here. But it does happen and can be chalked up to all manner of issues from lack of focus to lack of killer instinct to lack of personnel to matchups to unanticipated opposition.

Anyone who can't see what is going on here is a blind homer. This was like an engineered prescription for disaster absent perfection meets natural disaster exposing it as such.