The Krafts are relentless in their assault on Belichick's coaching.

[HSanders]

These idiots keep reiterating the same point.

If Bill made Brady, how come he couldn't do it with Bledsoe? A QB who got considerably worse under Bill?

How come he couldn't turn Mac into a serviceable QB?

Why did Matt Cassel have almost 30 less touchdowns than Brady did with the best offense of all time?

Where is Bills success with QBs not named Brady?

They're acting like it was literally as easy as sitting Brady down and telling him all the "info" needed to become the goat.

No one is more responsible for Brady than Brady.

Brady didn't miss a beat without Bill and Bill empire crumbled without the literally greatest player ever walking away.

most of this is post hoc ergo propter hoc or strawman but the cassel comment is plain ridiculous. cassel has a far better than expected year in n.e. as a surprise and longshot starter in 08. he showed that he was a pretty decent starter in kc. downing him and bb because he didn't throw as many tds as the best qb ever did the prior year sheds a lot of light on your way of thinking.

 

[signbabybrady]

Brady did make Bill.

Before Brady, Bill was riding Parcels coattails.

The timeline is indisputable.

When did Parcels develop a QB as good as Brady?

 

[HSanders]

Coordinator titles don't mean ****. By that logic Patricia is a better DC than Bill was with his 3 rings. Same with Josh with 4. We both know they can't HC their way out of a paper bag. Parcells gets the lionshare of the coaching credit for those titles.

so parcells who won 0 without bb gets the lion's share of credit but bb gets excoriated for his record without tb? that sounds about right for the "tb is everything and no one else helped him" crowd.

 

[signbabybrady]

Coordinator titles don't mean ****. By that logic Patricia is a better DC than Bill was with his 3 rings. Same with Josh with 4. We both know they can't HC their way out of a paper bag. Parcells gets the lionshare of the coaching credit for those titles.

When they are Validated by 6 as HC they mean something. And I'm not trying to over inflate their value but they are certainly worth something in the debate of what did BB do without Brady.

 

[festy1986]

who never won without who?

You walked right into this.

Bill never won without Brady.

Brady did just fine without Bill.

You bought that one hook, line and sinker

 

[festy1986]

Lol Parcels is one of the best ever and Belichick is useless you can't be serious

Who said Bill was useless?

Are you even involved in the same conversation as me?

The fact that you don't recognize parcels or Brady shows how disillusioned you are on this.

Just tell us your a fanbot so we know what we're dealing with.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

Belichick created the environment for Brady to succeed, it's that simple and irrefutable. Kraft hires any other HC in 2000, and we don't have 10% of the success we had. BB was absolutely brilliant in constructing that 2001-2004 team, as well as the 2007 team. Ushered in a whole new style of GM-ing in the cap era. Coaches and GM's throughout the league went to school on the Patriot Way, which was all BB. Then he led us to three more championships in '14-'18, and whiskers away from winning about 3 more. By far the greatest coach in history, even if things fell apart the past 2 years.

Brady was our greatest player, and any dynasty needs goat players, but this was Belichick's team. Brady walked onto a loaded TB team to win one last trophy (with Gronk by the way), then he also tailed off his last 2 years. The league is too good to win every year for 20 years no matter who you are.

 

[signbabybrady]

These idiots keep reiterating the same point.

If Bill made Brady, how come he couldn't do it with Bledsoe? A QB who got considerably worse under Bill?

How come he couldn't turn Mac into a serviceable QB?

Why did Matt Cassel have almost 30 less touchdowns than Brady did with the best offense of all time?

Where is Bills success with QBs not named Brady?

They're acting like it was literally as easy as sitting Brady down and telling him all the "info" needed to become the goat.

No one is more responsible for Brady than Brady.

Brady didn't miss a beat without Bill and Bill empire crumbled without the literally greatest player ever walking away.

Because Bledsoe was wildebeest under attack lol

He made the playoffs with Mac

Matt Cassel was developed into a pro bowl QB

Jimmy was developed into a QB who was good enough to start in a SB

He won a playoff game with Vinny T

 

[festy1986]

most of this is post hoc ergo propter hoc or strawman but the cassel comment is plain ridiculous. cassel has a far better than expected year in n.e. as a surprise and longshot starter in 08. he showed that he was a pretty decent starter in kc. downing him and bb because he didn't throw as many tds as the best qb ever did the prior year sheds a lot of light on your way of thinking.

21 touchdowns to 11 int even in 2008 was pedestrian numbers.

Cassel sucked.

 

[festy1986]

Because Bledsoe was wildebeest under attack lol

He made the playoffs with Mac

Matt Cassel was developed into a pro bowl QB

Jimmy was developed into a QB who was good enough to start in a SB

He won a playoff game with Vinny T

Brady won the Superbowl with the same offensive line.

Let me reiterate that for you.

The SAME line.

So is it Bill that did that or was it Brady?

Pro bowl QB? How old are you? No one uses pro bowls as a barometer of success. No one.

Jimmy wasn't developed under Bill. Wtf you talking about.

Bill won a single playoff game without Brady?

Wow. A single whole playoff game.

 

[signbabybrady]

Who said Bill was useless?

Are you even involved in the same conversation as me?

The fact that you don't recognize parcels or Brady shows how disillusioned you are on this.

Just tell us your a fanbot so we know what we're dealing with.

You're the one running around insisting Bill gets no credit.

Not once have I taken any credit away from BP or TB. They all deserve a ton of Credit for their accomplishments and the fact they did it with eachother does not take anything away from any of them.

 

[lancerman]

When they are Validated by 6 as HC they mean something. And I'm not trying to over inflate their value but they are certainly worth something in the debate of what did BB do without Brady.

No it means the exact same as every other coordinator title. It's not special because Bill did it.

 

[festy1986]

You're the one running around insisting Bill gets no credit.

Not once have I taken any credit away from BP or TB. They all deserve a ton of Credit for their accomplishments and the fact they did it with eachother does not take anything away from any of them.

Wrong.

I am running around insisting that it was more Brady than Bill.

That's indisputable.

 

[festy1986]

No it means the exact same as every other coordinator title. It's not special because Bill did it.

It's ridiculous.

His two defensive coordinator Superbowls under what is considered one if the best coaches ever had slowly eroded into HIS Superbowls and Parcels somehow commandeered them from his employee.

His two Superbowls as a coordinator a decade plus before Brady entered the league is some how more relevant than Brady's Superbowl win at the helm of a team in the most important position in an entire franchise while both are competing for the SAME title doesn't make sense.

How can something Brady had nothing to do with have any relevances on the championships he was directly involved.

 

[XLIX]

He won a playoff game with Vinny T

Considering he has 12 years of being a HC without Brady, having all of 1 playoff victory is not the flex you seem to think it is.

 

[HSanders]

You walked right into this.

Bill never won without Brady.

Brady did just fine without Bill.

You bought that one hook, line and sinker

no you walked into it...

 

[lancerman]

It's ridiculous.

His two defensive coordinator Superbowls under what is considered one if the best coaches ever had slowly eroded into HIS Superbowls and Parcels somehow commandeered them from his employee.

His two Superbowls as a coordinator a decade plus before Brady entered the league is some how more relevant than Brady's Superbowl win at the helm of a team in the most important position in an entire franchise while both are competing for the SAME title doesn't make sense.

How can something Brady had nothing to do with have any relevances on the championships he was directly involved.

Also his most famous one is a Super Bowl where they won off a missed kick.

 

[signbabybrady]

Brady won the Superbowl with the same offensive line.

Let me reiterate that for you.

The SAME line.

So is it Bill that did that or was it Brady?

Pro bowl QB? How old are you? No one uses pro bowls as a barometer of success. No one.

Jimmy wasn't developed under Bill. Wtf you talking about.

Bill won a single playoff game without Brady?

Wow. A single whole playoff game.

"Brady won the Superbowl with the same offensive line.
Let me reiterate that for you.
The SAME line.
So is it Bill that did that or was it Brady?"

Bill acquired and developed guys like Neal, Andruzzi, and Compton. So it was not the same line. Maybe for the first 2 games pre injury but news flash coaching and developing goes on all season.

"Pro bowl QB? How old are you? No one uses pro bowls as a barometer of success. No one."

I get that pro bowl is a poorly voted on accomplishment but it's not meaningless especially for someone who isn't super popular.


"Jimmy wasn't developed under Bill. Wtf you talking about."

He spent the first several years of his career getting coached and developed here. You're inability to accept facts is hilarious.

 

[festy1986]

no you walked into it...

At the risk of sounding like an ******* I won't ask what's wrong with you but it's clear that you have a comprehension issue.

My apologies for engaging.

 

[signbabybrady]

No it means the exact same as every other coordinator title. It's not special because Bill did it.

Every other coordinator also deserves credit if they were good enough to win a SB.