Content Post The Joe Milton Experience All-22

[pazrul72]

I think on the play to Boutte in particular, Maye gets sacked. Either when the pocket collapsed or in the pursuit afterwards. He doesn't quite have that ability to outrun defenders and Milton timed his escape from the pocket perfectly to get him up to speed to stay ahead of the guy closing in from the rear, and ran in a perfect direction to simultaneously escape and keep vision downfield to keep hope of a play alive. If he doesn't do that, it doesn't matter what Boutte or the Bills backup safety do.

We've all seen our receivers get that wide open from time to time and Maye or Brissett be too busy not dying to do anything about it. Milton is probably the only QB on the roster who makes that particular play. Maye probably doesn't escape, and Brissett probably doesn't put that throw on target.

Given the final score hat was a swing play in the game that made the difference between a win and a loss, and it's a play that Milton made that none of our other current QB can. That's why other teams are doing price checks on him right now

The question is, could he do that consistently with the pressure on him. If he could, he's the better QB right now, Maye notwithstanding. If he could execute plays like that with any consistency Milton's raw talent would allow for the thickest possible playbook compared to Maye being a pure pocket passer. If our OL continues poor, Milton might actually be a better fit for this team right now to keep plays alive beyond what our OL can provide in terms of protection. Pocket passers get destroyed when their roleplayers aren't doing their jobs and if the O-line isn't improving that ability to scramble can be the difference between offense and no offense.

Consistency is the key, and the issue. We need to find out what Milton is now and whether he can get consistency. IF he can, he either becomes a hell of a trade asset, or Maye does. That's why I think Milton splits time with Maye as the minority QB in a platoon. Maye starts, but will get the hook if he's having a bad day at the office, and even if he doesn't, Milton will feature in certain formations or situations where he might play better. They need to see him under live fire more consistently to figure out what, if anything, they have so they'll shoehorn him into the lineup for a few plays here and there, of that I have no doubt..

Were we watching the same guy all year in Drake Maye? Dude had 417 rushing yards in 11 games and pretty consistently was faster then defenses expected getting out of the pocket. Pocket passer? Yeah when he can be, but he has plenty of speed and escapability. Arm strength concerns? Ok maybe he wasn’t breaking fingers with his throws but he has tons of zip, the ball got where it needed to be in a hurry. One of the things that excites me about Maye is he showed flashes of being that guy you say only a handful of people on the planet make that throw. I agree consistency is the key going forward for both guys. It’s cool to have a highlight reel throw that makes you go wow, winners make the other 10-15 throws necessary. I’m truly excited and hopeful for our young QB room, the future looks very bright indeed, I just think you are overhyping Milton and underselling Maye. By a lot.

 

[PScottman]

It is very typical for this forum to have one single game of evidence to generate a QB controversy in some folks' minds.

Appreciate what you have first before leaping to the new and different - especially without enough contextual evidence to base said change upon.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

The thing about Milton is that at 24 he's a very confident mature guy. Nothing seems too big for him. He appears to have improved tremendously this season as the scout QB under AVP's tutelage - more poised and decisive, less prone to running at the first hint of pressure. You don't hit that percentage of passes without some good processing and decision-making.

But unless we were offered a 3rd rounder, which I suppose is possible, I'd keep him another year and then shop him.

 

[gobesmug]

The thing about Milton is that at 24 he's a very confident mature guy. Nothing seems too big for him. He appears to have improved tremendously this season as the scout QB under AVP's tutelage - more poised and decisive, less prone to running at the first hint of pressure. You don't hit that percentage of passes without some good processing and decision-making.

But unless we were offered a 3rd rounder, which I suppose is possible, I'd keep him another year and then shop him.

It's worth drafting a backup QB in the 3rd rd. Makes no sense to trade him for so little after seeing such progress as the 3rd QB in his rookie season.

Unless there is a package involving a 1st rd pick I'd keep him for at least 2 more seasons to see what you got

 

[Stu Pidassle]

It's worth drafting a backup QB in the 3rd rd. Makes no sense to trade him for so little after seeing such progress as the 3rd QB in his rookie season.

Unless there is a package involving a 1st rd pick I'd keep him for at least 2 more seasons to see what you got

I agree there is no rush to trade him if the team feels that what we saw against the Bills is an accurate representation of how far he has come. If the consensus is that Milton looked better than what they see in practice due to the circumstances of the game then take the third rounder while optimism is high. While not a deciding factor, Milton's physical attributes make him a good scout QB to prepare the defense for mobile QBs. Compared to Brissett and Zappe, this years QB room is now a strength.

 

[gobesmug]

I agree there is no rush to trade him if the team feels that what we saw against the Bills is an accurate representation of how far he has come. If the consensus is that Milton looked better than what they see in practice due to the circumstances of the game then take the third rounder while optimism is high. While not a deciding factor, Milton's physical attributes make him a good scout QB to prepare the defense for mobile QBs. Compared to Brissett and Zappe, this years QB room is now a strength.

I agree that if the coaching staff knows that it was a fluke performance then it would be a good thing to sell high.

Only problem is, that this coaching staff is most likely getting completely replaced, so the new guys coming in won't know if that Milton scratching the surface or peaking.

I'd just hate to see them trade away Milton for a 3rd or even a 2nd then watch him become a top 5 QB. Highly doubtful but after the performance not completely impossible

 

[Gumby]

Milton looks like a great backup. Shows potential to be better than qbs 20-32 in the league. But in no way should that mean you give him up for picks or players.

The nyJfl is NOT my nor your grandfathers NFL. 17 game season & no preseason hitting; Thursday night games on 3 days rest… all GoToHell BS. …..

But the end result is: You CANNOT count on going through an entire season with one QB. I think if we look back over a 10 year period in 2029; that starting QBs will only average 13 games.

We will need Milton to cover those 4+ games. And if we can get some 2QB wildcard /wildcat plays in using him in as well…all the better.

 

[gobesmug]

Milton looks like a great backup. Shows potential to be better than qbs 20-32 in the league. But in no way should that mean you give him up for picks or players.

The nyJfl is NOT my nor your grandfathers NFL. 17 game season & no preseason hitting; Thursday night games on 3 days rest… all GoToHell BS. …..

But the end result is: You CANNOT count on going through an entire season with one QB. I think if we look back over a 10 year period in 2029; that starting QBs will only average 13 games.

We will need Milton to cover those 4+ games. And if we can get some 2QB wildcard /wildcat plays in using him in as well…all the better.

Having that backup could be the difference in making it to the playoffs or even keeping home field advantage

 

[SlowGettingUp]

Put him in the backfield and suddenly the option play has a whole new dimension. He's big enough to run and pass block, and of course he can throw too. Hard to blitz two passers.

 

[The Gr8est]

Having that backup could be the difference in making it to the playoffs or even keeping home field advantage

Or even losing the #1 overall pick.

 

[sb1]

If a team dangles a third rounder for Milton... seeya.

 

[mgteich]

I think Milton adds something at 6'5" and 250+ lbs. LBs were bouncing off him. With an NFL off season he is going to be a big boy. I would like to see him in a Taysom Hill role with 5 to 8 snaps per game doing a lot of QB runs with a pass or two sprinkled in.

I strongly disagree. If Maye is healthy, he should be our QB. Milton should always be the next man up.

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What you are saying is that you would pull our franchise QB for 5-8 times a game because Milton is a better option. I suppose that there will be a very secret playbook so that opponents will have no idea about the set of plays that patriots run with Milton as QB.

I suppose that we will have similar discussions when we sign a top WR and folks want to sit him so that Marcus Jones can give us better options.

 

[mgteich]

It's worth drafting a backup QB in the 3rd rd. Makes no sense to trade him for so little after seeing such progress as the 3rd QB in his rookie season.

Unless there is a package involving a 1st rd pick I'd keep him for at least 2 more seasons to see what you got

I would have a differnt plan. If Milton continues to develop, I would extend him after next year. Having a competent backup is important.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I strongly disagree. If Maye is healthy, he should be our QB. Milton should always be the next man up.

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What you are saying is that you would pull our franchise QB for 5-8 times a game because Milton is a better option. I suppose that there will be a very secret playbook so that opponents will have no idea about the set of plays that patriots run with Milton as QB.

I suppose that we will have similar discussions when we sign a top WR and folks want to sit him so that Marcus Jones can give us better options.

Milton is a bigger guy and a better runner than Maye. QB sneaks on 3rd and 1 or designed QB runs with an extra lineman or Stevenson being the lead blocker for example. The Taysom Hill role. Sean Payton pulled Drew Brees so Hill could run.

 

[TommyD4207]

Milton is a bigger guy and a better runner than Maye. QB sneaks on 3rd and 1 or designed QB runs with an extra lineman or Stevenson being the lead blocker for example. The Taysom Hill role. Sean Payton pulled Drew Brees so Hill could run.

Eh.
I think Milton has better instincts for running, especially in a read option - but not by much. And Maye is significantly faster.

 

[gobesmug]

I would have a differnt plan. If Milton continues to develop, I would extend him after next year. Having a competent backup is important.

I fully agree that having a good backup is valuable.

But he might want to go to a different in FA for a chance to start

 

[Simpelton]

Put him in the backfield and suddenly the option play has a whole new dimension. He's big enough to run and pass block, and of course he can throw too. Hard to blitz two passers.

He's got a history of knee injuries. HARD pass.

 

[mgteich]

Milton is a bigger guy and a better runner than Maye. QB sneaks on 3rd and 1 or designed QB runs with an extra lineman or Stevenson being the lead blocker for example. The Taysom Hill role. Sean Payton pulled Drew Brees so Hill could run.

So, you are comparing how well Brees and Maye could handle run option plays?

 

[50-yard-line]

Let's take a look from the other direction: you're a QB-desperate team and looking at Ward and Sanders...or maybe both are gone before you pick.

What do you offer for Milton? (I like him better than anyone coming out this year.)

I wouldn't trade him away for a 3rd, probably not even a second. A back-up QB is worth about 8 million in payroll.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

So, you are comparing how well Brees and Maye could handle run option plays?

No. Brees versus Hill , and Maye versus Milton. Taysom and Milton are strong guys like Deebo Samuel. Brees and Maye are not in that category. That is why Taysom and Milton are ideal for special plays like designed QB runs with an occasional pass.