The hell is going on with Ryan Mallett?

[mgteich]

np

I would feel MUCH more comfortable with Hoyer or Cassel on the team.

My apologies for broad brushing it. Yes, in the instance where Brady goes down for a small number of games during the season, yet comes back in time for the playoffs, the SB would still theoretically be possible. Given that I've talked about Cassel and Hoyer as options, I'm certainly not opposed to bringing in veterans.

However, let's be realistic here. Despite the way people around here act as if being the backup QB to Brady required the NFL version of the Rosetta Stone to master, we've had several veterans come in and be ready, if needed, in year one. Mallett's not leading the team to a SB and Brady's contract would seem to indicate that he's not going to be the starter in NE anytime soon barring injuries, so he's not anything approaching essential. If he's traded on Tuesday, nothing of importance will have been lost.

 

[Deus Irae]

I dont disagree, but I still seem to like my chances better with Mallett than most other options out there.

All that to be said, my point was more not to sell for the sake of extra assets unless it really is at a premium.

Ok, but the Patriots are short of draft picks this season, so.....


hypothetically speaking:

Would you trade Mallett for the Honey Badger? If the answer is "yes", and the current expectations for Matthieu is that he'll be a low round pick because of the risk, isn't trading Mallett for even a 4th a legitimate gamble to make, thinking that you could use that 4th for Mattheiu?

 

[I.M. Fletcher]

Ok, but the Patriots are short of draft picks this season, so.....


hypothetically speaking:

Would you trade Mallett for the Honey Badger? If the answer is "yes", and the current expectations for Matthieu is that he'll be a low round pick because of the risk, isn't trading Mallett for even a 4th a legitimate gamble to make, thinking that you could use that 4th for Mattheiu?

and for me the answer would be no.

Would I trade Mallett for Hankins or Patton? More likely, but I guess thats the problem with hypotheticals, it puts us in charge of deciding what Bill wants for his team.

 

[Henroc]

Mallet for a second and third. Not too bad. I'd say pull the trigger. Sure I think some ppl would feel more comfy if cassel came back but what about kafka. Wasnt he signed to a future contract?

 

[VJCPatriot]

I am not sure the rush to trade him unless it is for a big price. The last thing you want to do with any asset, let alone a QB, is to sell early and without adequate replacement.

Is his value really higher today than it could be a year from now? maybe, given the lack of QB talent available, but you are also leaving yourself thin at the most important position. I sure hope Belichick holds out for a ransom, since its of no value to sell low.

Agreed. I totally see the Pats holding onto Mallett if the value is not there. Why sell for 5 cents on the dollar for a valuable backup? We are not shipping Mallett out for an extra 6th rounder folks!

 

[stevedogc]

Agreed. I totally see the Pats holding onto Mallett if the value is not there. Why sell for 5 cents on the dollar for a valuable backup? We are not shipping Mallett out for an extra 6th rounder folks!

I dont think anyone here thinks the Pats are goingt to take a 6th rounder for Mallett. However, if the so called rumor with the Browns is true, I think the Pats would move Mallett if for the right price. The Browns have no 2nd rounder, and the 6th overall is way to high for an unknown back up QB. I think a good trade would be the Browns 3rd this season and their 3rd rounder next (which could be optioned for a 2nd depending on Malletts 2013/14 playing time and future contract).

Two 3rds (maybe a 3rd and a 2nd) for a back up who has yet to see any significant playing time in the NFL and if all goes well will never play a significant down for your team is a pretty good deal, IMHO.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I dont think anyone here thinks the Pats are goingt to take a 6th rounder for Mallett. However, if the so called rumor with the Browns is true, I think the Pats would move Mallett if for the right price. The Browns have no 2nd rounder, and the 6th overall is way to high for an unknown back up QB. I think a good trade would be the Browns 3rd this season and their 3rd rounder next (which could be optioned for a 2nd depending on Malletts 2013/14 playing time and future contract).

Two 3rds (maybe a 3rd and a 2nd) for a back up who has yet to see any significant playing time in the NFL and if all goes well will never play a significant down for your team is a pretty good deal, IMHO.

I'd take 2 3rds in a second. I'd take a high 4th plus a conditional 2014 3rd or even 4th. The Pats could use one of their 3rds to trade well up in the 2nd round taking a player of need.

 

[NE_PATS_FAN_54]

I'd take 2 3rds in a second. I'd take a high 4th plus a conditional 2014 3rd or even 4th. The Pats could use one of their 3rds to trade well up in the 2nd round taking a player of need.

Agreed, especially with the Pats lack of picks this year - that would be a deal I would jump at in a second.

However, that's not going to happen. All the Pats could get for Cassel was a 2nd round pick PLUS they had to add in Vrabel. And that was with Cassel coming off of a great year of actually playing.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Leverage. If Belichick can convince these other teams that he actually will keep Mallett, then that adds another bidder for his services. Not only would a team have to offer more than every other team, but also offer enough that Belichick is willing to let him go.

If the offer isn't good enough Belichick absolutely would keep Mallett, at least through camp.

As other teams get the injury bug or see other QBs falter his price (for players or 2014 draft picks) could well go up. And the longer teams wait the less likely they will be to have Mallett learn their system and immediately contribute, if indeed they are looking for QB competition.

So while a team in need of a QB can play chicken with Beleichick, everyone knows the draft isn't the place for a QB.

And if Ryan Mallett were in the draft, with no concerns about character, I'd have to think he'd go in the first round - though I doubt Belichick would make such a demand.

 

[TomPatriot]

You could also swap 1s with the Browns for Mallet.

Matt Cassel's Pats were 11-5 and should have made the playoffs. Only the Steelers were a better team that year.

 

[Triumph]

Mallet to the Browns is very plausible.

Mike Lombardi just landed a high ranking job in the Browns front office and was on BBs staff from his old Cleveland days. From radio interviews Lombardi always spoke glowingly of BB. BB likes to wheel and deal with old cronies like DeAngelo, Davis, Pioli.

Browns OC Norv Turner wants an arm to throw downfield. Mallet certainly had that in his NCAA days. I could see the Browns sending the 2013 3rd pick and another 2014 pick. The Browns giving up the 2nd 2013 pick would be highway robbery.

Quarterback
Under contract for 2013: Thaddeus Lewis, 25, Colt McCoy, 26, and Brandon Weeden, 29.
Expiring contract: Josh Johnson, 26.
Why it’s a need: The team’s bigwigs want to acquire someone to compete with Weeden, the incumbent starter and 22nd overall pick in last year’s draft, because they’re not convinced he’s the long-term answer. Neither McCoy nor Lewis have the big arm needed for the vertical, downfield passing game of Chudzinski and offensive coordinator Norv Turner, so at least one quarterback will be brought in. Don’t be surprised if one is signed and a developmental prospect is drafted. A trade can’t be completely ruled out, either.

Examining Browns

 

[tonyto3690]

You could also swap 1s with the Browns for Mallet.

We'd have to throw in our 2nd and future 1st for that to even be considered.

 

[TomPatriot]

We'd have to throw in our 2nd and future 1st for that to even be considered.

Why is that? Arguably, Cleveland would be getting a mid-1 equivalent in Mallet for the exchange.

 

[ausbacker]

If Lombardi is the Ghost of Easter Goodness he'll offer the Browns first round pick for Mallett and the Patriots first round pick. As a matter of fact, let's have the Browns brass hypnotised to make that deal.

Oh the possibilities that trading down from pick 6 will afford the Patriots. Damned pie in the sky mentality.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

We'd have to throw in our 2nd and future 1st for that to even be considered.

No way, that's completely insane. Way too much to merely swap spots. Mallett, a future 1st and and this years 1st and 2nd?

 

[manxman2601]

No way, that's completely insane. Way too much to merely swap spots. Mallett, a future 1st and and this years 1st and 2nd?

I thought that too but then remembered Julio Jones.

The value in this draft is outside the top 10 so that will reduce the asking price. But it also reduces the chances of BB wanting a top 10 pick unless there's someone he really wants up there.

 

[billdog3484]

are you guys on drugs

 

[Patsgofor4]

To me, this is an example of teams overvaluing draft picks. If Mallett could be inserted into this year's draft, there is no doubt in my mind that several teams would take him early in the 2nd in a heartbeat (Cleveland, if they had a 2nd, Arizona, Oakland). There is also a good chance that a team (or teams) would spend a #1. Despite this, many seem to think that a 2nd is too much to pay for him.

He has been a model citizen for two years and has been able to learn from BB and TB12 about what it means to be a professional. I remember Mayock and co. laughing about how ridiculously good Mallett's deep throws were at the combine. This year they were laughing about how bad this QB class is. Geno Smith had only one play to remember during his white board session and he still screwed it up. Mallett apparently owned the board during his interview with the Pats.

Mallett for a 3rd or 4th? No way, IMO.

 

[TomPatriot]

If Lombardi is the Ghost of Easter Goodness he'll offer the Browns first round pick for Mallett and the Patriots first round pick. As a matter of fact, let's have the Browns brass hypnotised to make that deal.

Oh the possibilities that trading down from pick 6 will afford the Patriots. Damned pie in the sky mentality.

If Mallet is the equivalent to a mid-1 pick this year, it's not pie in the sky. Though it's not the Bible, I would bet the deal is pretty close to equal on the value chart, especially this year.

 

[ausbacker]

If Mallet is the equivalent to a mid-1 pick this year, it's not pie in the sky. Though it's not the Bible, I would bet the deal is pretty close to equal on the value chart, especially this year.

I said some months ago that this was the year to trade Mallett (assuming the Patriots can replace him) given the assessment that this year's Quarterback crop is a relatively weak one. I'm hopeful that the Browns feel the same way but I'm also maintaining a sense of guarded optimism as it does seem like a best case scenario for the Patriots.