The Bill megathread (HC at UNC, girlfriend, etc.)

[lancerman]

Time we know of where Kraft overruled Belichick.

-Firing Lombardi
-Firing Patricia
-Not letting him pick Jimmy G over Brady

Hmmmmm

 

[NFL Mystique]

Time we know of where Kraft overruled Belichick.

-Firing Lombardi
-Firing Patricia
-Not letting him pick Jimmy G over Brady

Hmmmmm

That would have been the biggest mistake in franchise history. No SB win in 2018. The fact Bill considered it is ludicrous.

It's known too that Kraft was eager for Bledsoe to get back in to start in 01. But ultimately felt Bill should make the call.

 

[Gumby]

Again; ……

Why should I care about this?

 

[rkarp1]

Again; ……

Why should I care about this?

because Bill took the franchise into the toilet, and while they seemingly are now climbing out, if blame is to be assigned, it should be correctly done

 

[Ring 6]

but if it is true…pretty interesting. I mean it’s not nothing if Kraft fired one of Bill’s close personal friends.

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[Ring 6]

That would have been the biggest mistake in franchise history. No SB win in 2018. The fact Bill considered it is ludicrous.

It's known too that Kraft was eager for Bledsoe to get back in to start in 01. But ultimately felt Bill should make the call.

That is a complete lie. Belichick was never choosing Jimmy G over Brady. Lynch literally asked him to do that and he laughed at him.
Any reference to that is just pushing a known lie.

 

[h0c2000]

Collective Soul To Hit Chapel Thrill Concert Series Saturday, Oct. 25 - University of North Carolina Athletics

American rock band Collective Soul is set to take the stage in Polk Place Saturday, Oct. 25 before Carolina's football game against Virginia as part of the C...

goheels.com

Nothing says trying to connect with your student like having Collective Soul perform pre-game....30 years ago.

 

[fnordcircle]

Again; ……

Why should I care about this?

Mods please update rules to ensure all posts personally appeal to patsfans.com poster Gumby.

 

[Bill Lee]

Collective Soul To Hit Chapel Thrill Concert Series Saturday, Oct. 25 - University of North Carolina Athletics

American rock band Collective Soul is set to take the stage in Polk Place Saturday, Oct. 25 before Carolina's football game against Virginia as part of the C...

goheels.com

Nothing says trying to connect with your student like having Collective Soul perform pre-game....30 years ago.

Guess they couldn't get Springsteen...

 

[TommyD4207]

but if it is true…pretty interesting. I mean it’s not nothing if Kraft fired one of Bill’s close personal friends.

Why is it interesting? The owner fired a friend of his head coach over a decade ago - the head coach that was fired 2 years ago?

This belongs in the BB schizo thread, not yet *another* thread of drama gossip about the fired head coach, two coaches ago.

It's 2025. The Patriots are 5-2. The head coach is Mike Vrabel. I don't know if it's dementia, alzheimer's or some of you have been in a coma for the last 700+ days.

 

[TommyD4207]

because Bill took the franchise into the toilet, and while they seemingly are now climbing out, if blame is to be assigned, it should be correctly done

Why is assigning blame for three seasons ago important to you?

Belichick deserved to be fired, and he was fired. How is that not the end of the story?

 

[bresna]

Time we know of where Kraft overruled Belichick.

-Firing Lombardi
-Firing Patricia
-Not letting him pick Jimmy G over Brady

Hmmmmm

We know no such thing. We have rumors. We have some leaks one way or the other that are usually done by someone with an agenda.

We don't know what really happened and we may never know.

 

[Gumby]

Mods please update rules to ensure all posts personally appeal to patsfans.com poster Gumby.

If the mods actually paid attention like in olden days; I‘d say thank you

 

[Joey007]

Lombardi is an idiot.

Bill has lost his way.

Torre has been a major clout chaser lately.

All of these things can be true.

 

[sb1]

https://alumni.unc.edu/news/savannah-bananas-to-play-at-kenan-stadium/

And introducing their new manager!

 

[Real fan 02]

Lombardi is a skid mark.

Fired from ever front office Job he's ever held.. that should tell people something...

 

[Steve102]

Why is assigning blame for three seasons ago important to you?

Belichick deserved to be fired, and he was fired. How is that not the end of the story?

 

[Ross12]

Mods please update rules to ensure all posts personally appeal to patsfans.com poster Gumby.

On it

 

[sb1]

I hope he was fired Mr. McMahon style.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

This highlights what BB's issue was at the end here and what's still plaguing him in North Carolina. The well of good football minds he works well with has dried up, both in the front office and the coaching staff. Look at all the good coaches we had over the years. All the good scouts/front office personnel. Sure, some of them failed when they left but they were all qualified and functioned well in their roles here. We had a legit "brain trust" around BB.

Into his late 60s and early 70s, BB simply lost the ability to identify and develop good coaching/front office people around him. And it's not even just about how good people are at their jobs. You can have two geniuses but if they don't work well together they're going to produce ****. Once it started crossing generations and having to incorporate new ideas and new ways of thinking BB simply couldn't foster a good culture in the organization anymore. He didn't have the adaptability or the interpersonal skills for it.

Everyone makes it about Brady leaving - he only played 3 more years after he left and the roster had deteriorated already. The damage was already done. With all the benefit of hindsight and seeing what went on behind the scenes, it seems like at some point in the mid to late 2010s BB could no longer lead a healthy organization and it was all downhill from there. The fact that they still had Brady and all the other great players they added when they were a good organization masked it because they kept winning but once that dried up and they were left with the players and situation that the dysfunctional drafts and offseasons produced, it was over. Brady staying 3 more years wouldn't have fixed it.

20 years of unparalleled success should be celebrated vs. hand wringing over why it wasn't 25 or 30. But if you have to ask what could have been done for that, they probably would have had to fire BB mid 2010s even amidst annual SB appearances and brought in a whole new regime that hit the ground running and was great. A total crapshoot that could have just as easily (and probably more likely) gone bad than good since most front office/coaching regimes flop.