The Bill megathread (HC at UNC, girlfriend, etc.)

[signbabybrady]

Always love the pretentious "you should be a fan the way I am a fan" types on here. It doesn't make you a better fan, it just makes you a tool.

Of course it makes me a better fan and maybe it makes me a tool too. I can live with that.

Benedict Arnold was no Patriot.

 

[sb1]

Personally I hope that Belichick is burning enough bridges and torching enough of his legacy for him to be snubbed off the first ballot of the HoF.

It would genuinely be funny if this whole mess helps
Kraft get in first because other power brokers basically go “holy god he was THIS much of a pain to deal with?”

I think it's very likely he gets in on the first ballot and he would have my vote for that...but I believe the odds that he won't are not zero. Because of the -gates, plus lack of success post Brady and especially because of the way he's behaving now. If Peter King who is a HOF voter called him out for his behavior I guarantee he's not the only voter who is thinking "wtf is up with this guy".

If he was simply dating a 24 year old that's one thing but letting a 24 year old who is completely unqualified run his professional life and embarrassing UNC is another.

 

[203Pat]

Of course it makes me a better fan and maybe it makes me a tool too. I can live with that.

Benedict Arnold was no Patriot.

I support about 95% of former Patriots but that support is conditional (unless it's Juju. I hated him from the start and hate him more now)

 

[maust]

Benedict Arnold was no Patriot.

Well... he kinda was... until he wasn't.
Once he suited up for the Jete though, the rat bahstid was dead to me

 

[Bill Lee]

It may not be a 'to death do us part' relationship with individuals (evidenced by my wife who has never forgiven that traitorous bastard Johnny Damon for taking the $$$$ from the Yankees to jump ship even though she was perfectly fine with him taking the Sox cash to leave Oakland) but it is 100% a 'to death do us part' relationship with the laundry.

LOL, yes, it was Damon who first came to mind, but then I thought Martin would be a better example.

 

[maust]

LOL, yes, it was Damon who first came to mind, but then I thought Martin would be a better example.

My reasoning was the cynical hypocrisy of fandom was better illustrated by Damon, who we loved when he was our mercenary but despised when he got in bed with the Yankees for that filthy NY money

 

[Bill Lee]

Of course it is. Their are special circumstances like Hernandez of course but when done right it is til death do us part unless you are one of those fair weather fans.

So, you're saying it's OK to stop being a fan when a certain amount of bad weather shows up. Got it.

It's silly to suggest that we should all teach the kids "that guy on the TV you kinda like, well, you gotta decide right now that you're gonna like him for the rest of your life no matter what he does, except if he kills someone".

 

[sb1]

Of course it makes me a better fan and maybe it makes me a tool too. I can live with that.

Benedict Arnold was no Patriot.

Nothing wrong with being a fan of the person over the team. I'm a fan of what Bill did on the field a lot more than I am a fan of the person.

 

[maust]

So, you're saying it's OK to stop being a fan when a certain amount of bad weather shows up. Got it.

It's silly to suggest that we should all teach the kids "that guy on the TV you kinda like, well, you gotta decide right now that you're gonna like him for the rest of your life no matter what he does, except if he kills someone".

Well to me it's all about the laundry but if pressed I'd have to say yeah killing someone is probably a bridge too far. Unless you happen to be from Baltimore where it's evidently perfectly acceptable for a sports hero to KAG or 2

 

[Bill Lee]

Well to me it's all about the laundry...

In my experience, blind loyalty leads to bad things.

For example: it's all about the white collar, he's a representative of God on Earth, it's OK to get in the car with him, Johnny.

Our creator (real, imagined or fortuitous chemistry) gave us critical thinking skills.

To me the ability to continuously evaluate things as they are trumps (sic) the benefits some feel they get from blind loyalty.

Being blindly loyal relieves one of the burden of critical thinking, but again, IMO it often leads to bad things.

To me, a lot of the world's problems come from the tribalism that blind loyalty creates.

 

[sb1]

Well to me it's all about the laundry but if pressed I'd have to say yeah killing someone is probably a bridge too far. Unless you happen to be from Baltimore here it's evidently perfectly acceptable for a sports hero to KAG or 2

Or if you're an abuser like Ray Rice

 

[maust]

Our creator (real, imagined or fortuitous chemistry) gave us critical thinking skills.

I know not this 'us' you speak of, my creator excised all thinking powers from me upon matrimony.
That's my wife's rice bowl now

 

[RobertWeathers]

To be honest, I am hoping he is just being dumb and not being taken advantage of. Either way, it shows a clear lack of judgement to get involved with a woman a third of his age, but I really hope he is just in "F it" mode and isn't getting senile and taken to the cleaners. The $8 million in real estate and allowing her to insert herself into his professional life is the part that worries me. We all know 95% of these guys have a 24-year-old girlfriend(s), but they aren't this public with it, and they’re giving them jewelry, watches, and maybe a car, not a multi-million-dollar portfolio, and having them act as a PR manager.

I dunno...

Don Corleone is speaking to BB....

 

[sb1]

I know not this 'us' you speak of, my creator excised all thinking powers from me upon matrimony.
That's my wife's rice bowl now

"Us"?

Dude are you f'ing this up?

 

[maust]

"Us"?

Dude are you f'ing this up?

 

[Bill Lee]

I know not this 'us' you speak of, my creator excised all thinking powers from me upon matrimony.
That's my wife's rice bowl now

If you are saying critical thinking skills are incompatible with matrimony, I agree.

I solved that incompatibility issue a long time ago.

 

[maust]

If you are saying critical thinking skills are incompatible with matrimony, I agree.

I solved that incompatibility issue a long time ago.

I'm sayin' THAT'S MY WIFE'S RICE BOWL NOW
(and it behooves me not to f'n forget it)

 

[Steve102]

Fandom is not a 'to death do us part' relationship.

It's OK to respect BB when he showed wisdom and leadership, and to disrespect him when he shows poor judgement if not outright foolishness.

Bill, my man. This level of common sense will not be tolerated.

 

[Jim Beankie]

LOL, yes, it was Damon who first came to mind, but then I thought Martin would be a better example.

For someone named Bill Lee, I'm surprised this wasn't the first thing that came to mind, because I lost my sh*t when I saw it:

 

[Bill Lee]

For someone named Bill Lee, I'm surprised this wasn't the first thing that came to mind, because I lost my sh*t when I saw it:

Lee was traded to MTL in '78, Boggs came up from Pawtucket in '83. Seems insignificant now, but Boggs wasn't a part of the Bill Lee era. I was probably more disgusted by watching Don Zimmer work for the NY frauds since to me Boggs was a mercenary, the kind of guy who was all about himself first. Of course the reason Lee was traded was because he openly criticized Zimmer, so he was not my favorite either. Overall, I was happy to watch Pedro toss Zimmer to the ground like a rag doll.