The Biggest Bust (Harry vs Polk)

[PatsFan2]

the interesting part about drafting Polk, is that his WR coach, T Hughes, was also on the offensive staff at the U of Washington in 2023. So Hughes had intimate knowledge on Polk. and the 3 seasons prior to being at the U of Wash, Highes was an offensive assnt under Bill.

Really happy Hughes is not our WR Coach he seems kinda useless.

 

[Rob0729]

I never said he got starter money, in fact I said he got a one year “show me” deal. They want to see another year of him impressing as a deep threat to ensure he isn’t a flash in the pan.

None of which changes him running with Mahomes and the ones in training camp.

Why would you give a young guy who was on your roster last year and given a starting job for a third of a season because one of your starters was suspended need a prove it deal? Wasn't his one year contract last year a prove it contract?

 

[Wozzy]

Why would you give a young guy who was on your roster last year and given a starting job for a third of a season because one of your starters was suspended need a prove it deal? Wasn't his one year contract last year a prove it contract?

He’s had issues staying healthy, he still has prove it for a full season. If he does and KC believes it’s a match, they may extend him longer next time.

He wants to be there, even if he received a similar offer elsewhere, or better money to join a dysfunctional mess he sees opportunity there and is getting a nice one year payday on a proven winner.

 

[Rob0729]

We remember things 100% differently.

I forget who it was, but there was one poster here who HATED the Harry pick, and he called everyone out by reposting the Harry draft day thread. This place was 99% positive on taking Harry that day.

Polk had immediate detractors. Heck, I posted 3x on Polk starting in the draft threads in January, long before I even knew the Patriots would pick him.

The point stands however that most people thought Harry was going right where the Patriots took him:



LaCanfora had him at 22: 2019 NFL Mock Draft by Jason La Canfora (CBS) | NFL Mock Draft Database

By comparison, this is J'Lynn Polk:



This is AJ Brown:

You are misrepresenting what I said.

I said there were a lot of people who wanted Samuel or Brown over Harry. Based on your charts, Brown was ranked higher in mock drafts at the time of the draft than Harry. You didn't list Samuel, but he was probably higher than both Brown and Harry. Your own data backs up my claim. It wasn't that people hated Harry. People thought he was a good player. It was that people would have preferred Brown or Samuel and I remember clearly that was a strong sentiment on this board.

Second, I said there were people who liked the Polk pick. I didn't say it was universal. I provided you "experts" who gave the pick good grades. I admit there were plenty of people who didn't like the pick.

 

[203Pat]

Ahh yes, the tried and true "If he is still in the league he isn't a bust" argument the homers love to bust out to defend Bill's picks. A second round pick who netted us 39 catches, 385 yards, and 2 TD's in 3 years here isn't a bust because he gets elevated on someone else's depth chart when everyone in front of him is in jail or injured.

 

[203Pat]

If this is just about wide outs its polk by a mile.

If you're comparing who was the worse receiver it is Polk by a mile (and that is saying something because Harry was awful) but if you're comparing impact with all things considered, then it has to be Harry.

 

[Wozzy]

Ahh yes, the tried and true "If he is still in the league he isn't a bust" argument the homers love to bust out to defend Bill's picks. A second round pick who netted us 39 catches, 385 yards, and 2 TD's in 3 years here isn't a bust because he gets elevated on someone else's depth chart when everyone in front of him is in jail or injured.

Thornton wasn’t a Bill pick, he was a collaboration pick.

Thornton also showed production as a deep threat, he showed competence. I don’t care about his draft position or who took him. That’s a lot more relevant to the conversation than “he’s still in the league.”

He’s running with the Chiefs ones, I know that’s a problem for self hating Pats fans here who want to self flagellate over the WR position.



Lastly… Bill doesn’t live rent free in my head like you, he doesn’t color my every post and thought.

 

[Diffs4]

The 10 highest draft picks the Pats have spent on WR in the past 2 decades:

1. N'Keal Harry. 2019, #32.
2. Chad Jackson. 2006, #36 (trade up).
3. Ja'Lynn Polk. 2024, #37.
4. Tyquan Thornton. 2022, #50.
5. Aaron Dobson. 2013, #59.
6. Kyle Williams. 2025, #69.
7. Brandon Tate. 2009, #83.
8. Taylor Price. 2010, #90.
9. Josh Boyce. 2013, #102.
10. Javon Baker. 2024, #110.

What a ****ty list. What stands out to me is how little draft capital they have spent on this position. The last pick of the first round and four second round draft picks in 20 years? That must be the least draft capital any team has spent on this position in the same time period. A byproduct of having the best QB in the history of football but still shocking to see it listed like this.

 

[Wozzy]

What a ****ty list. What stands out to me is how little draft capital they have spent on this position. The last pick of the first round and four second round draft picks in 20 years? That must be the least draft capital any team has spent on this position in the same time period. A byproduct of having the best QB in the history of football but still shocking to see it listed like this.

Also a byproduct of a team builder who understood the failure rate among rookie WR’s was higher than just about any position.

They track draft data, Bill preferred vets.

 

[PatsFan2]

What a ****ty list. What stands out to me is how little draft capital they have spent on this position. The last pick of the first round and four second round draft picks in 20 years? That must be the least draft capital any team has spent on this position in the same time period. A byproduct of having the best QB in the history of football but still shocking to see it listed like this.

Interesting take I never really thought about it like that. You're right other than Harry and Jackson...it's really meager Draft capital spent on the position: compared to other Teams.

 

[Rob0729]

Thornton wasn’t a Bill pick, he was a collaboration pick.

Thornton also showed production as a deep threat, he showed competence. I don’t care about his draft position or who took him. That’s a lot more relevant to the conversation than “he’s still in the league.”

He’s running with the Chiefs ones, I know that’s a problem for self hating Pats fans here who want to self flagellate over the WR position.



Lastly… Bill doesn’t live rent free in my head like you, he doesn’t color my every post and thought.

I don't know if you are winning this argument like you think you are. We can agree that Thornton is better than Harry. You are saying Thornton wasn't solely a Belichick pick, but we know Belichick went against his staff to draft Harry. That is pretty damning for Belichick.

And you seem to want to fight anyone on this board who has the slightest criticism about Belichick. So you might want to do self reflection of who actually has Belichick rent free in their head.