The ASJ Fumble

[Ring 6]

Ok I re watched it again for the millionth time and change my mind again. You can see it bobble around in his hand at the very end of the play so he never had control of the ball again. Good call

For anyone still struggling with this the key point is when he brings his left hand in as he loses control with his right. It's not apparent from all angles.

 

[Ring 6]

Agreed, the INT Brady threw was clear interference against Skrine that should’ve been called. Pulled Dorsett’s arm down and intercepted the ball. It was so obvious. But of course according to Fouts, it was a great defensive play.

But Dobson, err Dorsett needs to do better than he did.
Yes it was interference but it was not physical enough to throw him off and if he doesn't fall/stumble the ball hits him in the numbers with shrine behind him.

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

Good call. Bad call. Up. Down. Fact is, we won and beat the Jete. I don't care to be honest and the Jete get zero sympathy from me. **** them!

 

[scott99]

There are several pics with several angles showing him losing the ball.

 

[AtomicDawg]

 

[Family]

IMO to overturn the call this dramatically it has to be a more obvious offense, even if the replay shows it likely. It's like in hockey where they take away goals because some skate was two inches over the line 45 seconds before. Technically it's correct, but the call at the moment should carry more weight.

But it does make up for horrible pass interference non calls. I don't think a Jets cornerback covering Gronk bothered to turn around all day.

 

[AtomicDawg]

Already talk here in ny how the jests got screwed. Those final moments for our offense sucked.

Who gives a frack what those loser NJ smelly Neanderthals have to say? Of course they would feel like they got jobbed. So what.

 

[archstanton543]

IMO to overturn the call this dramatically it has to be a more obvious offense, even if the replay shows it likely.

But this isn't an offense (a penalty). This is call made about a player fumbling a ball through the end zone.

 

[yukon cornelius]

IMO to overturn the call this dramatically it has to be a more obvious offense, even if the replay shows it likely. It's like in hockey where they take away goals because some skate was two inches over the line 45 seconds before. Technically it's correct, but the call at the moment should carry more weight.

But it does make up for horrible pass interference non calls. I don't think a Jets cornerback covering Gronk bothered to turn around all day.

agreed, except it was an obvious offense.....he fumbled before he crossed

 

[wolverinejoe80]

i wished this call didn't happen. we still would've beaten them. it was totally unnecessary.

 

[yukon cornelius]

i wished this call didn't happen. we still would've beaten them. it was totally unnecessary.

it was a great defensive play.....

 

[archstanton543]

i wished this call didn't happen. we still would've beaten them. it was totally unnecessary.

The rules demand that it is necessary.

Hindsight is always 20-20. There's no way to say the Pats would or wouldn't have won this game with or without this call. The only way it would is if it were the last play of the game....and it wasn't.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

Contest all you want whether the call was right or not but the underlying thrust requires those upset the call was wrong to get over yourselves. Whether a bad or good call, the game is over. The Patriots got the W and the Jets got the L. The Jets have been beneficiaries of bad calls and good calls, the Patriots have been beneficiaries of bad calls and good calls. And unlike today's call -- whether good or bad -- the absurd 'jump' call was an end resulting score bad call. Torday's call did not leave the Jets without an opportunity to win.

As I said against Carolina, those BS calls were absolutely BS but the Patriots poor play put themselves in the position to be affected by it. This week the Jets poor play put themselves in the position to be affected by a bad call.

Relax, game's over, Patriots got the W, we're on to Atlanta.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

After there was conclusive evidence that Jenkins fumbled prior to crossing the goal line, the onus was then on there needing to be conclusive evidence that he regained it before touching out of bounds.

The people saying "you can't overturn that" seem to be ignoring that there was conclusive evidence he lost control before crossing the goal line. So why should the call stand? The call of a TD should then be predicated on if there was conclusive evidence he regained it before going out of bounds

I'm pretty sure the rule is that to overturn the call on the field there needs to be conclusive evidence that the call on the field was wrong. And that it doesn't matter how the play actually happened relative to how the refs originally thought the play happened. Only the end state matters.

The call on the field was a TD. Thus there needs to be conclusive evidence that the result of the play was in fact not a TD. I don't believe there was such evidence because I don't believe S-J's recovery point is clear enough to definitively say he did not recover it in the endzone. So I think it should have stayed a TD.

 

[archstanton543]

The Jets have been beneficiaries of bad calls and good calls, the Patriots have been beneficiaries of bad calls and good calls. And unlike today's call -- whether good or bad -- the absurd 'jump' call was an end resulting score bad call.

"Jump call"? You mean the pushing from the second level call? Or do you mean something else?

 

[n1997y]

huge play by Butler

he had two huge takeaways in this game.

 

[archstanton543]

he had two huge takeaways in this game.

And had a huge miss that led to an easy Jets TD.

 

[archstanton543]

The call on the field was a TD. Thus there needs to be conclusive evidence that the result of the play was in fact not a TD. I don't believe there was such evidence because I don't believe S-J's recovery point is clear enough to definitively say he did not recover it in the endzone. So I think it should have stayed a TD.

It doesn't matter what you believe. Watch that video on page 1 or 2. At 21 seconds you can see the ball move from his left to right hand. If you can't see that (and it's what the refs saw to overturn the TD call) I can't help you.

 

[yukon cornelius]

I'm pretty sure the rule is that to overturn the call on the field there needs to be conclusive evidence that the call on the field was wrong. And that it doesn't matter how the play actually happened relative to how the refs originally thought the play happened. Only the end state matters.

The call on the field was a TD. Thus there needs to be conclusive evidence that the result of the play was in fact not a TD. I don't believe there was such evidence because I don't believe S-J's recovery point is clear enough to definitively say he did not recover it in the endzone. So I think it should have stayed a TD.

was the ball still moving when he went to the ground? video clearly shows yes.....that's all you need to be conclusive.....ball was out before he broke plane, he did not establish/maintain possession as he went to the ground.....the recovery point doesn't matter.....as he was going to the ground (OOB at this point) he did not maintain possession......conclusive

 

[n1997y]

I'm pretty sure the rule is that to overturn the call on the field there needs to be conclusive evidence that the call on the field was wrong. And that it doesn't matter how the play actually happened relative to how the refs originally thought the play happened. Only the end state matters.

The call on the field was a TD. Thus there needs to be conclusive evidence that the result of the play was in fact not a TD. I don't believe there was such evidence because I don't believe S-J's recovery point is clear enough to definitively say he did not recover it in the endzone. So I think it should have stayed a TD.

By rule the recovery point is not where he regains control of the ball, it is where he completes going to ground (two feet down or his body down) with control of the ball, and the replay showed that his shoulder hit on the out of bounds line. Where his body came down was shown clearly enough.