Tetairoa McMillan runs a 4.48-4.55 at Pro Day

[PatsFan2]

It won’t change their minds. They hate wide receivers. Notice how most of these detractors refer to them as “divas” and “me” guys without actually knowing anything about them.

Find me a great wide receiver who isn’t a little bit selfish. I’m done with drafting wideouts based on their interviewing prowess.

Thats' why BB missed every time especially in the Second. He was looking for articulate speakers like Harry and Boney T... and not football players like A.J. Brown and George Pickens.

 

[PatsFan2]

It won’t change their minds. They hate wide receivers. Notice how most of these detractors refer to them as “divas” and “me” guys without actually knowing anything about them.

Find me a great wide receiver who isn’t a little bit selfish. I’m done with drafting wideouts based on their interviewing prowess.

GM BB Drafted a Debating society @ WR where are they now??

 

[Ray Ray 717]

GM BB Drafted a Debating society @ WR where are they now??

lol

I’d rather put up with a malcontent who catches 100 balls for 12 touchdowns and elevates Drake Mayes game than watch Taylor Price, Aaron Dobson, N’Keal Harry, Ja’Lynn Polk, and Tyquan Thornton drop goose eggs but say the right things after the game

 

[Nunchucks]

If Campbell's arms force him to guard, Maye still has an issue on his blindside and goes to the hospital.

A player just doesn't measure out better because we want to fill the position. At this point, I'm far more confident in Tet who has good tape and measured out well over Campbell who has a huge red flag that usually means "he won't cut it at LT"

He might be be a better guard, but he has already proven he can play LT at the highest level in college. He should be adequate as a pro.

 

[KCSVEN]

Great chart.

Alaric Jackson, despite being 6' 7", is a pretty good LT with smaller arms than Campbell but obviously a massive outlier as an UDFA with short arms.

Campbell I wouldn't hate but depends on what the scouts think of the other options.

I wouldn't COUNT on Campbell being a LT because odds are against it, but I wouldn't say, based on Jackson and Campbell's incredible athleticism, it's out of the question either. I think everyone seems to agree worst case you get a pro bowl guard. If his upside is really all-pro level guard, then based on other options at 4 that might be the best outcome.

Every non-QB prospect after Hunter/Carter has at least 1 major question mark.

Graham, Campbell, Jeanty, Membou, McMillan, Warren, Johnson, Walker, Banks, Stewart.

You could easily come up with a good reason why none of those guys should go #4 overall.

A trade down is going to be difficult. If so, taking a possible starting LT and definitive high-end guard is not the worst outcome.

Of course, I'm hoping beyond hope Hunter makes it to 4 and then we are all set.

 

[Ray Ray 717]

Great chart.

Alaric Jackson, despite being 6' 7", is a pretty good LT with smaller arms than Campbell but obviously a massive outlier as an UDFA with short arms.

Campbell I wouldn't hate but depends on what the scouts think of the other options.

I wouldn't COUNT on Campbell being a LT because odds are against it, but I wouldn't say, based on Jackson and Campbell's incredible athleticism, it's out of the question either. I think everyone seems to agree worst case you get a pro bowl guard. If his upside is really all-pro level guard, then based on other options at 4 that might be the best outcome.

Every non-QB prospect after Hunter/Carter has at least 1 major question mark.

Graham, Campbell, Jeanty, Membou, McMillan, Warren, Johnson, Walker, Banks, Stewart.

You could easily come up with a good reason why none of those guys should go #4 overall.

A trade down is going to be difficult. If so, taking a possible starting LT and definitive high-end guard is not the worst outcome.

Of course, I'm hoping beyond hope Hunter makes it to 4 and then we are all set.

It would be gut wrenching/heartbreaking if we reach for Campbell at 4, he gets moved to guard, and someone like McMillan goes next and he ends up becoming a 12 touchdown per year type player while our red zone offense continues to rank 32nd in the NFL.

How can you pass up a player at 4 who has huge potential to score a lot of touchdowns? I even have a hard time passing up Jeanty the RB at 4th overall for a guard.

You can always find good guards later in the draft, but pro bowl wide receivers and running backs are hard to come by, as you can tell by the massive contracts they earn.

 

[signbabybrady]

Nevermind I'm dumb lol

Why'd we have to get the draft with T-Rex in it.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

If you truly believe that all of the prospects are flawed and don't feel great about any, I think OL is one of the worst positions to take because it's really sort of pass-fail. A guy is a starter or he's not. On the DL/EDGE and often times LB you rotate guys and start multiple players. RBs always play in rotation. You can use your 2nd or even 3rd TE heavily. At WR, CB, S, you usually play 3 of them a ton and will sometimes play a 4th. A lot of those positions can even have STs roles. OL and QB are the most pass/fail. Other than very situational use of a freak athlete at QB or some 6th OL packages, backups at those spots don't play. If you draft a guy and he isn't good enough to start then he's pretty much useless to you.

 

[Nunchucks]

Actually I have a couple questions:

You say under 33 but I thought Campbell is 33 and 5/8ths?

Also I thought there were some exceptions but none drafted in the first round or some qualification like that?

Example in our backyard as I believe Matt Light's arms were 33 and 1/2.

It is 32 and 5/8. How much of a big deal is it? Idk

 

[SlowGettingUp]

 

[lancerman]

He might be be a better guard, but he has already proven he can play LT at the highest level in college. He should be adequate as a pro.

When you have clear issues in measurability in college, you can't say he's going to be adequate in the pros. Also an adequate guard is not a great use of the pick.

 

[lancerman]

It won’t change their minds. They hate wide receivers. Notice how most of these detractors refer to them as “divas” and “me” guys without actually knowing anything about them.

Find me a great wide receiver who isn’t a little bit selfish. I’m done with drafting wideouts based on their interviewing prowess.

The Patriots fan cycle the last 6 years.

Regular season: "OMG I can't watch these WR's, they drop everything and can't get separation, our passing game is archaic"

Offseason: beggars becoming choosers and people crying about how high you need to draft one or how expensive the good ones are.

This fanbase has actually developed a reputation throughout the league over this.

 

[Wozzy]

I'm sure there are plenty of failed short arm LT that played in the state of Louisiana I fail to see Harry as having any relevance in this decision whatsoever.

Both Tet and Harry produced in the BIG12, both big bodied WR’s from schools in Arizona… but sure, beyond that no similarities.

 

[lancerman]

Both Tet and Harry produced in the BIG12, both big bodied WR’s from schools in Arizona… but sure, beyond that no similarities.

Tet does not play like Harry. He is not a WR who relies on contested catches. He's a lot closer to a Drake London type.

The Harry comps are only coming from Patriots fans who are snakebitten and are terrified of being burned again. But nobody serious is making a Harry/Tet comp.

 

[Wozzy]

A draft isn't in the context of all time, it's in the context of the draft the players are in. There's no Calvin Johnson in this draft, there's no Joe Thomas/Joe Alt in this draft, there's no Reggie Bush in this draft.

By your standard, if Carter and Hunter are gone, we shouldn't pick anybody at 4 of 5 or 6 or 7 because all the guys we could draft there have high upside but a questionmark somewhere. You can't approach a draft like that. That's how you become paralyzed and make perfect the enemy of the good because you don't like the hand you were dealt.

Polk is a bad example because the issue there was never that we took a pass catcher. The issue was that we passed up on one who was far more lauded because we got cute and thought Polk was similar value when he wasn't. We should have passed up on the value in a trade and got Ladd. We'd have been better off.

If you don’t believe a prospect is a first round talent then you shouldn’t take him, or you should trade back and take him later.

 

[PatsFan2]

Tet does not play like Harry. He is not a WR who relies on contested catches. He's a lot closer to a Drake London type.

The Harry comps are only coming from Patriots fans who are snakebitten and are terrified of being burned again. But nobody serious is making a Harry/Tet comp.

 

[Wozzy]

I like you Wozzy but our receivers STINK. All of them. None can threaten a defense.

Douglas, Hunter Henry, Hooper, even Bourne or Boutte would have been much better with Drake Maye standing behind a stout offensive line.

Horse/cart

 

[Wozzy]

No they won't we need a Legitimate #2 to push all those guys down a notch: K Bourne Sucks yeah I said it Patsfans. We need a guy whether it's Brandon Aiyuk or a Super Rookie to elevate both K Boutte and Pop Douglas. IF Polk or Baker can't outplay K Bourne they shouldn't be in this league.

You can find a bunch of WR’s in the middle and late rounds of the draft. Without blocking nobody else can do their job, nobody. It all starts with blocking.

 

[Thelonious]

Thankfully, the person responsible for all those terrible WR choices is gone, and the statistics which apply to teams which draft well now apply to the Pats. Those stats show that O-linemen, LT' in particualr, are rarely available in the draft after the first round, and that if they are sound they rarely show up in free agency.

I hope you are right. Since your a stats guy, how many 32 5”8 wingspan lineman have made great left tackles in the nfl?

If you want to draft the left tackle position, make sure you get the right guy

I understand the concern re arm length and the data re how unusual it is for a guy with his body-type to succeed are pretty convincing. There are alternatives. I simplt think they cannot go another year without making SOME progress on the O-line. This is not a great year for LT's in particular , but for how many more years do we want to ignore this obvious need? We have ONE O-line generally regarded as a legit NFL lineman. That is just pathetic, and dangerous for the young QB everyone claims to care so much about.

 

[PatsFan2]

You can find a bunch of WR’s in the middle and late rounds of the draft. Without blocking nobody else can do their job, nobody. It all starts with blocking.

That's why I'm waiting for them to sign Robinson or Wills just in case the Rookie Left Tackle ain't ready.