Tetairoa McMillan runs a 4.48-4.55 at Pro Day

[Steve102]

It's Hunter or nobody at 4, to me. If it's someone else, I'll be really disappointed they blew the draft pick. A lot of the issue I'm having (and lots of people are having, and it's understandable because we NEVER pick this high not needing a QB), is the value in which the #4 pick holds. At 4, you're taking a 10-year starter and pro bowler, that's the expectation. You're not taking a guy who you'd question on picking up their 5th year option. You might be in that situation with Carter or McMillan or Campbell.

What are you going to do if there's no trade partner? I don't get this line of thinking, bud. They have to be ready to pick at #4. The down trade doesn't happen in a vacuum. Someone has to pay the ransom wanted, and it can't be too far of a drop, or you miss out on the top 10-12 prospects. I am sure there's someone who will offer you a lousy deal to move out of the top 20. Then what? Throw the value chart out, because everyone knows the pick is for sale. The best thing that can happen is two great prospects (Hunter, Ward, or maybe someone salivates for Tet) and there's a bidding war.

There's no guarantee they can drop to 6-8. They have to be ready to take someone at #4, even if that someone would be available at #7.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

I think the question remains do you see this guy making an impact like Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Julio Jones, Tory Holt or Randy Moss who dropped. If not, don’t take him.

Does the same apply to players at other positions? Should we only take guys who are HOFers? Going to be tough to ever make a pick if that's the case

 

[signbabybrady]

If this were (presumably) next year's draft, and we were another year into the rebuild, and shown a bunch of improvement in 2025, I'd be more ok with trading up.

Like, all things being equal, I'd think about trading up to get him.

Can't do it this year though, they need draft capital the next two years, and have to hit, a lot.

Maybe this drafts strength is in how deep it goes but I don't see the logic in saving a second round pick in a bad draft if it could be the difference between getting the only player you see worthy of a top 5 pick or having to settle for something else just to keep it.

 

[lancerman]

What are you going to do if there's no trade partner? I don't get this line of thinking, bud. They have to be ready to pick at #4. The down trade doesn't happen in a vacuum. Someone has to pay the ransom wanted, and it can't be too far of a drop, or you miss out on the top 10-12 prospects. I am sure there's someone who will offer you a lousy deal to move out of the top 20. Then what? Throw the value chart out, because everyone knows the pick is for sale. The best thing that can happen is two great prospects (Hunter, Ward, or maybe someone salivates for Tet) and there's a bidding war.

There's no guarantee they can drop to 6-8. They have to be ready to take someone at #4, even if that someone would be available at #7.

Exactly, people don't get this. There's a good chance that Ward is the only QB anybody would trade for. If we don't like what is there at 4, odds are most of the teams after us are in the same boat and are cool with whatever falls to them.

The idea that there's a kings ransom that makes dropping down worth it just isn't likely, and it might require going lower than we want and getting less than we want for it.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Does the same apply to players at other positions? Should we only take guys who are HOFers? Going to be tough to ever make a pick if that's the case

It applies to all positions. I'm not taking a WR at 4 if he isn't as good as a prospect as the other guys. That's where you see teams getting into trouble and drafting reaches.

 

[signbabybrady]

The University of Arizona's team name is the wild cat

Thank you for this Sammy lol! You now have me wanting him more than Hunter or Carter lol.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

It applies to all positions. I'm not taking a WR at 4 if he isn't as good as a prospect as the other guys. That's where you see teams getting into trouble and drafting reaches.

Questioning if he's as good a prospect as the other guys in this class is very different than questioning if he's as good as all the HOF receivers you listed. I agree that at the end of the day they should take the best prospect, maybe with some room for position to factor in but predominantly it should be the best player. I just don't think anyone at any position we're taking at #4 is someone I look at as a future HOFer, so questioning whether Tet is Moss/Hold/Julio/Megatron/etc. just seems irrelevant to me.

 

[TommyD4207]

Maybe this drafts strength is in how deep it goes but I don't see the logic in saving a second round pick in a bad draft if it could be the difference between getting the only player you see worthy of a top 5 pick or having to settle for something else just to keep it.

Because it's not a bad draft. It's a bad draft at some traditional positions where it's usually not, but it's not a bad draft at all.

That 2nd round pick, used properly, would be another long-term starter, or be flipped for more in the future.

Also, I don't think simply a 2nd round pick gets a trade-up done, I think you'd need to include future high-round capital.

 

[lancerman]

It applies to all positions. I'm not taking a WR at 4 if he isn't as good as a prospect as the other guys. That's where you see teams getting into trouble and drafting reaches.

The issue is that he's on the same tier of prospect as the other guys you could get there this draft.

 

[Steve102]

Exactly, people don't get this. There's a good chance that Ward is the only QB anybody would trade for. If we don't like what is there at 4, odds are most of the teams after us are in the same boat and are cool with whatever falls to them.

The idea that there's a kings ransom that makes dropping down worth it just isn't likely, and it might require going lower than we want and getting less than we want for it.

I'm all for trading back and gaining assets in R2 where "they" all seem to say the strength of the draft is. But if no one else wants #4, your stuck with it and you have to pick. Which is why Tet's good pro day adds value to the pick IF they want out at #4. Dropping to #6, taking Campbell or Simmons there and then Jayden Higgins at #37 and best available LoS guy at #38 makes great sense. Just need Brady to let Spytek make that move.

 

[TommyD4207]

Appreciate your viewpoint. The issue is if everyone feels the same way you do, who is going to trade up to 4? You’re going to have to provide a steep discount on the usual return for trading out from 4 in order to entice a buyer. And in that case, it may just be worthwhile to make the pick at 4. And certainly you have to make the pick if you’re unable to convince anyone to trade up.

Not everyone feels the same way I do.
The Jets and Cardinals and Saints and all these teams still exist.

If you're the Jets at 7, and you can get Tet at 4 - and the Patriots are only looking for a swap and a 2nd to trade up, that's an incredible deal for the Jets. And we get our guy at 7 and additional pick at 43 or whatever it is.

It's cool is the usual haul isn't there, and it's worth getting roasted by the BSM in the meantime.

I agree that getting the usual future 1st probably isn't as likely, unless some team is really hot on pick 4 for whatever reason. But to say 'no one will trade up for 4' just isn't true, if the price is right. Maybe it doesn't go by the points chart.

 

[Drunken Cicerone]

I just remember Darius Hayward-Bey was a big guy who ran a quick 40. Sure he might have been held back by injuries but none the less a wasted draft pick.

This team desperately needs a #1 WR and I wouldn’t be upset if they get Tet but that does seem like a reach

MHJ went at #4 last year and everybody he was considered the next big thing WAY before the combine

 

[Pape]

I still want to know how such a talent got shut down by Northern Arizona... 2 receptions, 11 yards.

 

[PatsFan2]

I still want to know how such a talent got shut down by Northern Arizona... 2 receptions, 11 yards.

Maybe he was hurt can we stop nitpicking.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

Not everyone feels the same way I do.
The Jets and Cardinals and Saints and all these teams still exist.

If you're the Jets at 7, and you can get Tet at 4 - and the Patriots are only looking for a swap and a 2nd to trade up, that's an incredible deal for the Jets. And we get our guy at 7 and additional pick at 43 or whatever it is.

It's cool is the usual haul isn't there, and it's worth getting roasted by the BSM in the meantime.

I agree that getting the usual future 1st probably isn't as likely, unless some team is really hot on pick 4 for whatever reason. But to say 'no one will trade up for 4' just isn't true, if the price is right. Maybe it doesn't go by the points chart.

There's just a little bit of a contradiction of viewpoints here...

The Jets have to think highly enough of Tet that even already having Garrett Wilson on the roster, that it's worth giving up a 2nd rounder to move up for Tet vs. staying at #7.

The Patriots, without any good WRs on the roster really, need to think less enough of Tet (and all the other options) that it's better to move back and pick up a 2nd while taking someone on the board at #7.

Everyone is going to view the draft differently, but I just think that in order to move down only a few spots and get a 2nd is going to take an absolute crater of difference in how our team vs. another evaluates the draft/

 

[Hyped]

N’Keal Harry ran a 4.53 at the combine…. Just sayin’….

(ducks)

 

[Hugepatsfan]

N’Keal Harry ran a 4.53 at the combine…. Just sayin’….

(ducks)

4.48 vs. 4.53 is actually a pretty significant difference in the world of 40 times.

 

[Ring 6]

I have always been leery of players who move up because of the time they run.
Their speed is on tape.
Practicing to run a 40 yard dash to get a better time doesn’t make you a better football player. How many times do you run 40 yards straight untouched and 0.05 seconds makes a difference?

 

[Ring 6]

4.48 vs. 4.53 is actually a pretty significant difference in the world of 40 times.

If it is, it shouldn’t be

 

[Hugepatsfan]

I have always been leery of players who move up because of the time they run.
Their speed is on tape.
Practicing to run a 40 yard dash to get a better time doesn’t make you a better football player. How many times do you run 40 yards straight untouched and 0.05 seconds makes a difference?

That's fair, but not sure that really characterizes what's happening with Tet. I think he's a guy who's tape and production have been discounted some because of a perception that he'll test slow so it won't translate. I think it's kind of the opposite of what you're saying. He's not being elevated above his production/tape because of his time here, it's the time here being respectable enough that it gives credibility to his tape/production. That's different than a guy who didn't produce or look good on tape getting elevated because they ran the 40 fast.