PatsFans.com Menu
PatsFans.com - The Hub For New England Patriots Fans
PatsFans.com - The Hub For New England Patriots Fans

Terrible Spot Cost the Pats 7 Points (maybe 14 point swing)

Status
Not open for further replies.
In the Pats/Colts game thread over at footballguys.com, the overwhelming attitude is that the Pats got the shaft from the refs. Most of the guys posting such sentiments are established Pats haters in that forum.

ETA: As to this play in question, looking at the clip you can see the line judge immediately give an extremely gracious spot at the 12yd line. Looking at that clip several times, it looks like Addai's forward progress gets him to about the 11.5yd line, about 18 inches short of a first down. And I think I'm being generous.

Regards,
Chris

Yeah, when I first watched it, I was wondering what the fuss was. It looked like it might be the camera angle that was making it look like he didn't get it. But then I watched it again and you can see that Addai never even pushes into the pile. Almost his entire body is in view (with his back towards the line) as he goes down. So not only does he come up short, but the ball is further away from the FD due to him being turned around.
 
I assumed that and I figured that it would be appropriate if you knew that the ball had to reach a specific, visible spot on the field (like the 12 yard line exactly) and your spot was beyond that. But as he is running into the pile, he is clearly INSIDE the 12 yard line, so he couldn't have been using that as a landmark. The spot was bad, but most spots favor the offense to some degree. Just waiving the 1st down (and once you move the chains you can't recover) without a measurement is really frustrating.

You can recover after the chains are moved, there is a clip on the chain that is put on a 5 yard line that will allow you to come back to the same spot, the problem is that someone would have to call them on it to make them bring it back. Not sure if the Pats did this, or because of the position, were unaware of how bad the spot was.
 
I assumed that and I figured that it would be appropriate if you knew that the ball had to reach a specific, visible spot on the field (like the 12 yard line exactly) and your spot was beyond that.

Though not relevant to the play in question (which appeared to be a bad spot), one little referees' secret is that the spot is frequently marked exactly on a yard line in order to speed up the game for determining first downs.

You see it all the time, actually. It usually happens in the middle of the field after a first down, or after a turnover or punt, when the exact location of the spot is irrelevant. If the spot is close or very close to a yard line, the ball will be marked exactly at the yard line and the new series started exactly there, so that if any part of the ball crosses the yardage line exactly 10 yards away, they know it's a first down. Watch for this sometimes. Ask yourself why kickoff returns, interception returns, and some first downs between the 30s seem always to be marked exactly on the nose of a hashmark.

Here's the other dirty little secret about spots. The marking of where the drive or series is beginning is anything but an exact science. Did you ever think about this? When they measure for a first down, they are very fine about it -- bringing the chains out and measuring to see whether the ball is at the last link, etc. But how about when a first down is made and they set the chains? They basically have to eyeball it. The chains are 20 yards long. There is a marker that is on the chains exactly 10 yards from the marker stick. When a first down is made, the guys with the chains run forward, and the line judge tells them where the spot is, and that's where they put the 10 yard marker -- but this is never exact -- it can be as much as several inches off. It's the line judge's best guess after looking 25 yards across the field to where the umpire has spotted the ball. Once that's set, they throw down the orange marker, and they set the big pendant that's on the sticks so that it's exactly on the 5-yard line close to the first down, which is what they use to measure if there is a measurement required -- actually even that is not set exactly. Sometimes, they will even RESET the starting point. If it's a two minute drill, and they set the chains, and the first play is an incomplete pass or some other situation making it so that the line of scrimmage doesn't move (or only moves an exact amount, like a 5 yard penalty), the line judge has discretion to remark the initial spot and move the chains accordingly, if he thinks his original spot was off.

The irony of the exact measurement is that very few series, unless they start exactly on a yardline (e.g., a touchback) are exactly 10 yards.
 
I never noticed that about the starting spot, but it makes a lot of sense.

Personally, I always think the whole "chains" thing is a complete joke. Everything is so inexact, and yet they treat the measurement as if it's laser-sighted down to the millimeter. I chuckle almost every time they bring the chains out. It's one of those "we take ourselves too seriously" bits of NFL theater that no one seems to want to mention.

That said, this spot was ridiculous even by those loose standards. I thought I missed a play and couldn't understand how they got a first down. But ... this stuff is usually given to the home team. There's probably a reason the Pats have gotten screwed in the last two playoffs, but it's most likely just because they were on the road. The Colts were whining for years about getting screwed on calls when they had to come to Foxboro during the playoffs every year.

We'll see how it goes in the AFCCG.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Patriots News 04-19, Countdown To Draft Day
MORSE: Patriots Mock Draft 6 – A Week Before the Draft
TRANSCRIPT: Eliot Wolf Pre-Draft Press Conference 4/13
Patriots News 04-12, What To Watch For In The NFL Draft
MORSE: Pre-Draft Patriots News and Notes
MORSE: Patriots Mock Draft 5
MORSE: Patriots Mock Draft 5
Mark Morse
2 weeks ago
Patriots Part Ways with Another Linebacker as Offseason Roster Shake-Up Continues
Patriots News 04-05, Mock Draft 2.0, Patriots Look For OL Depth
MORSE: 18 Game Schedule and Other Patriots Notes
TRANSCRIPT: Mike Vrabel Press Conference at the League Meetings 3/31
Back
Top