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Why are people starting threads about seventh stringers?
Another question would be :
Why do people who don't like threads about 7th stringers post in threads about 7th stringers?
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But if, God forbid, Brady gets hurt then there are times we might want Tebow in for Mallett.
Why?????????
Because Tebow is a mobile QB who can help his team win.
I thought this Marshal Faulk interview of Kaepernick today was a nice explanation / demonstration of the Read Option:
The read option through San Francisco QB Colin Kaepernick's eyes - NFL Videos
Trent Dilfer's take on the zone-read/pistol. He addresses the thought: "why don't you just hammer the QB?"
Inside the 49ers | Dilfer on the Pistol: ?There?s no answer for it.? | The Press Democrat, Santa Rosa, CA
Dilfer made a distinction that I think has been blurred by a lot of fans and writers this year. The Pistol is a formation, with the quarterback in shallow shotgun formation, and a halfback right behind him. (The 49ers like to run theirs with another back next to the QB, or one on each side in diamond formation.) The read-option is a play on which the quarterback stuffs the ball into the halfback’s gut, and uses the actions of the defensive end or outside linebacker to determine whether to keep the ball or hand it off.
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Trent Dilfer's take on the zone-read/pistol. He addresses the thought: "why don't you just hammer the QB?"
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Completely agree Oinko. I hear the Pistol used interchangeably with the Read-Option/Zone-Read. The Pistol is really just a starting formation that can incorporate a number of different offensive schemes. The defense looking at the Pistol formation pre-snap, can't really tell what's coming.Pistol is not the same thing as zone-read. Zone read is a play concept that can be run without being in the pistol formation, and and without having what is considered a "pistol" offense.
The term "zone read" is getting over-used now, and becoming sort of a catch-all like "wildcat" did starting a few years back.
Pistol is not the same thing as zone-read. Zone read is a play concept that can be run without being in the pistol formation, and and without having what is considered a "pistol" offense.
The term "zone read" is getting over-used now, and becoming sort of a catch-all like "wildcat" did starting a few years back.
Getting back to the point that started all this, it could go either way. Brady is in the shotgun with Ridley to his left. Ball is snapped, Ridley slides towards Brady who tucks the ball into his gut, then pulls it back out and passes the ball. That's a play action pass from the shotgun.
With a QB like Tebow, Kaep, Russell, RG3 or Cam, the same basic play could either be a PAP just like it is with Brady, OR, it could be a Zone read play. The difference is whether there is a "read" or not during the mesh.
With Brady, as far as I can tell, there isn't much of a "read" at that point. It's just a standard play action fake. The intent is to pass the ball and that's what he's going to do regardless of the defense's reaction.
With the other QBs, it could be the same thing, OR, they could be reading a defender and then deciding which way to go with the play. Whether to give the ball on the dive, to keep the ball, or to pass.
Further complicating things is that even with a "pocket passer" like Brady, the fake might include a read. IF LB bites on the fake, then pass to the X, if LB doesn't bite, then pass to the Y or Z.
Would actually need to see the play really to figure out if it was in fact a "zone read" play or if it was just a "normal" shotgun play action fake.
Getting back to the point that started all this, it could go either way. Brady is in the shotgun with Ridley to his left. Ball is snapped, Ridley slides towards Brady who tucks the ball into his gut, then pulls it back out and passes the ball. That's a play action pass from the shotgun.
With a QB like Tebow, Kaep, Russell, RG3 or Cam, the same basic play could either be a PAP just like it is with Brady, OR, it could be a Zone read play. The difference is whether there is a "read" or not during the mesh.
With Brady, as far as I can tell, there isn't much of a "read" at that point. It's just a standard play action fake. The intent is to pass the ball and that's what he's going to do regardless of the defense's reaction.
With the other QBs, it could be the same thing, OR, they could be reading a defender and then deciding which way to go with the play. Whether to give the ball on the dive, to keep the ball, or to pass.
Further complicating things is that even with a "pocket passer" like Brady, the fake might include a read. IF LB bites on the fake, then pass to the X, if LB doesn't bite, then pass to the Y or Z.
TL;DR version. Would actually need to see the play really to figure out if it was in fact a "zone read" play or if it was just a "normal" shotgun play action fake.
Why do you think that this team will move from a precision timing offense, which has worked very well to a trick play offense???...
Do not see your scenario at all, this team will stick with what has worked and proven successful over the years...
Everything that is done after the snap is predicated on timing and location, so you want to have everyone mix it up because something might work??
Makes absolutely no sense to this long time patsfan...
I'm sure Brady will continue to be Brady. He won't try to be somebody else. He'll probably stick to what works for him. I agree, why would TB change what has worked? Demosthenes is probably only explaining how the same offensive formation might be used by Tebow if by some odd/rare occurrence he is called upon.
Pretty much. Basically I was pointing out that the exact same formation and start of a play could be EITHER a "standard" PAP from the shotgun or a Zone Read play from the Shotgun.
I stated that you really needed to see the play in question to determine which one it was. Shockt327 nailed it when he brought up the point about the blocking schemes and the unblocked defender (doesn't HAVE to be the DE). That would tell you it was a read option play.
Thanks!
And yes, it doesn't just have to be the DE that's left unblocked; though it's usually an edge rusher (though I have seen some wacky variation; particularly from Oregon).
So, anyway, I don't know how people started discussing the idea of Brady running the zone read: he won't (like, ever). And a back-up QB working on a play, doesn't mean he's going to get to run it during the actual game. It simply means he is practicing. Remember, practice is meant to help the defense too. The zone-read is a legit threat, in this league. Makes sense to run it in practice.
Why do you think that this team will move from a precision timing offense, which has worked very well to a trick play offense???...
Do not see your scenario at all, this team will stick with what has worked and proven successful over the years...
Everything that is done after the snap is predicated on timing and location, so you want to have everyone mix it up because something might work??
Makes absolutely no sense to this long time patsfan...
"this team will stick with what will work and will prove to be successful over the coming years"
Just read an article in this mornings news, and that claimed that because of the precision of offensive schemes.. cannot just put in a "running" quarterback in a "pocket passing" scheme... the breaks for receivers would be completely different as would be the blocking assignments for the O lineman.. when Cassell stepped in, he essentially was a carbon copy of Brady... Mallett is pretty much the same.
Those of you who hope for something different need to study how this offense works...
No, he wasnt.
The Pats transitioned into more of a running team. If you believe that Cassel is like Brady then you need to put the pipe down this second. Cassel struggles in the passing game and is a carbon copy of Sanchez.
Moreover, Mallet hasnt proved a thing. He has a big arm. Thats about it. Tebow is light years ahead of Mallet in terms of NFL presence and poise while Mallet has looked like the shakiest gun in the East.
Right, the poise and presence to take a 20+ yard sack or hold onto the ball for 15 seconds in practice.....Maybe you should review what the words "poise and presence" mean in a football context.