Tebow to Pats rumor

[Ring 6]

Why? Because you say so? LOL.

Take away from Brady Welker, Hernandez, Gronk, and Branch, and give him Decker, Royal (both young receivers) and the scrub TEs from Denver, and see if he can beat the Steelers #1 defence in the playoffs.

Which other team gave away their best receiver for nothing just after handing their team to a new QB? Thats what happened to Tebow. Brandon LLoyd, the same Lloyd that the Pats fans hope to sign, was given away for pretty much nothing(6th round pick) just after Tebow was handed the starting job this season.

Come on. You cannot seriously watch Tom Brady and Tim Tebow play QB and tell me there is a scenario where you think Tebow is better.
By the way the reason they traded Lloyd was because he refused to play with Tebow at QB.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

If by some miracle they acquired Mario Williams from the Bills, Jared Allen, Mike Wallace, and resigned Welker and BJGE all at the veteran minimum, getting Tebow would cancel all of that out and make this the worst free agency haul in history.

A typical sad example of how completely irrational some fans get over what, Tebow?

 

[patsderoer]

Sorry to interupt with facts, but, your clainms are wrong:

Tebow threw 271 passes.
106 of them (not NONE) were on first down. Thats about 40% of his attempts.
He completed 52 of them, less than 50%.
85 were on 2nd down. Thats about 30%.
He completed 40 of them, which is about 47%
74 were on 3rd down. 17 3rd and short, 8 complete for 47.1%
57 were on 3rd and long. That is just over 20% of his attempts, and he completed 45% of those.

The down and distance argument lends zero credence to the Tebow excuse mongering.

How about you list the completion % when he had a quality TE in Hernandez? How about that?

 

[Ring 6]

Please dont try to confuse posters here with facts. Who cares that Tebow did all that with only 2 young receivers Decker and Royal, and some scrub TEs. Who cares that Tebow had a very young Oline this season. Who cares that Denver gave away for pretty much nothing their best receiver just after they started Tebow this season. Who cares that, when Tebow had a quality TE in Hernandez in Florida, he put up quality completion %.

From the internets
1983
Elway, 10 games started, 4-6 record, 123/259 completions/passes, 47.5%, 1663 yards, 7 TD, 14 INT, 54.9 rating. 28 rushes, 146 yards rushing, 1 TD.

2010-2011
Tebow, 8 games started, 5-3 record, 97/207 completions/passes, 46.9%, 1363 yards, 12 TD, 4 INT, 79.8 rating. 99 rushes, 615 yards rushing, 9 TD.

Its clear that Tebow just sucks. SUCKS. SUCKS. He shouldnt be allowed anywhere near the QB position, because posters AndyJohnson and ausbacker say so.

Why are you only using some of Tebows #s?

In any event, and you honestly here telling me that after 2 years in the NFL you can look at John Elway and Tim Tebow and say you see the same thing?

 

[ausbacker]

How about his production?

First 16 starts

Total Yards: 3835
Passing : 2885
Rushing: 950
Total TDs : 32
Interceptions: 9
Fumbles lost: 7
Completion percentage: 47.3%
QB rating: 78.1 (includes post season)


So almost 4000 total yards and 32 Tds with a gimped offense is bad? Really?

Since when did the best rushing attack in 2011 in the NFL constitute or set the grounds for being a gimped offense? They lead the league by over 10 yards per game on average.

 

[Ring 6]

How about you list the completion % when he had a quality TE in Hernandez? How about that?

You were the one who said he never threw on first down, and his completion % was low because he only got to throw on 3rd and long.
I am just the fact checker and the facts don't check.

Are you really going to turn this into a completion % vs college players argument?
You can stop, I think he was a great college QB.

 

[Ironman44]

Since when did the best rushing attack in 2011 in the NFL constitute or set the grounds for being a gimped offense? They lead the league by over 10 yards per game on average.

You do realize Tebow was THE big reason they led the league right?
My question still stands, is almost 4000 yards and 32 TDs against 16 starts bad production?

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Tebow is so much better than Gabbert that it isn't funny. People talk about Tebow not being a QB, but that's nonsense. If you want to see a guy who wasn't an NFL QB last year, watch Gabbert and the Jags.

I second that. Watched him down here while in FL. How he ever got drafted in the 1st 4 rounds amazes me. Awful.

The new JAGs owner should trade for Tebow if the Donks sign Manning. Fill some seats. Win some games. Entertain rather than bore people.

 

[Ironman44]

Why are you only using some of Tebows #s?

In any event, and you honestly here telling me that after 2 years in the NFL you can look at John Elway and Tim Tebow and say you see the same thing?

Tebow in his first and only 16 starts did indeed beat Elway in just about every category and he did have almost 4000 total yards and 32 Tds.

Elway is a hall of famer but tebow , for what he is, a first year starter, did REALLY good. Listening to some of the posters here you would think he had 1500 yards and 4 Tds not 3,842 total yards and 32 TDs

 

[patsderoer]

Come on. You cannot seriously watch Tom Brady and Tim Tebow play QB and tell me there is a scenario where you think Tebow is better..
By the way the reason they traded Lloyd was because he refused to play with Tebow at QB.

Tebow is a very young QB, while Brady is a veteran. And Tebow on offense had 2 young receivers, scrub TEs and a young OLine. And he beat the #1 defence in the playoffs.

 

[Ring 6]

How about his production?

First 16 starts

Total Yards: 3835
Passing : 2885
Rushing: 950
Total TDs : 32
Interceptions: 9
Fumbles lost: 7
Completion percentage: 47.3%
QB rating: 78.1 (includes post season)


So almost 4000 total yards and 32 Tds with a gimped offense is bad? Really?

He complete 47% of his passes and throws for less than 200 yards a game in a league where 250+ has become ordinary.
Blurring the fact by trying to add rushing yards to hide the fact he throws the ball poorly does not mean much to me.
In 9 of those starts, including 7 of the last 10 his team scored 18 points or less.
How can you really tell me that is good.
His 8-5 record this year would have been more like 3-10 with an average defense.

 

[Ironman44]

You were the one who said he never threw on first down, and his completion % was low because he only got to throw on 3rd and long.
I am just the fact checker and the facts don't check.

Are you really going to turn this into a completion % vs college players argument?
You can stop, I think he was a great college QB.

Fact check this (includes 2 post season games) 16 starts (and some situational play in a few other games )

Total Yards: 3835
Passing : 2885
Rushing: 950
Total TDs : 32
Interceptions: 9
Fumbles lost: 7
Completion percentage: 47.3%
QB rating: 78.1 (includes post season but the regular season is 75.1 , not sure I added this right)

almost 4000 yards and 32 TDs against 16 starts (and spot play in some other games) not bad for the worst QB that has ever played.

and no I do not think Tebow is better than Brady (please) but Tebow is not the chopped liver some of you guys make him out to be.

 

[patsderoer]

Why are you only using some of Tebows #s?

In any event, and you honestly here telling me that after 2 years in the NFL you can look at John Elway and Tim Tebow and say you see the same thing?

A comparison between HOF Elway and Tebow in their first starts. Tebow beat Elway in almost every category. Sorry to confuse you with facts.

 

[Ring 6]

Tebow is a very young QB, while Brady is a veteran. And Tebow on offense had 2 young receivers, scrub TEs and a young OLine. And he beat the #1 defence in the playoffs.

You said Brady would be worse than Tebow on Denvers team.

You aren't really having an argument right now, you are rooting for Tebow. Thats OK, but why not just admit that?

 

[ausbacker]

You do realize Tebow was THE big reason they led the league right?
My question still stands, is almost 4000 yards and 32 TDs against 16 starts bad production?

I completely agree that Tim Tebow was an effective game manager for the Broncos. What I don't agree is that he is a good Quarterback for the Broncos.

And yes, I don't happen to think it's that great because you're including rushing contributions to the Quarterback's foremost important job, passing the football.

I do agree that Tebow has been an effective runner with the committee over there at Broncoland.

 

[Ring 6]

A comparison between HOF Elway and Tebow in their first starts. Tebow beat Elway in almost every category. Sorry to confuse you with facts.

Then you simply know nothing about football.
If you seriously are going to take rookie QB stats from 1983 vs 2011 and write them on a page ignoring the differences in the game, rules, the teams they played on, what they were asked to do, then you deserve to just have your posts not responded to.
Good luck to you.

 

[Ring 6]

Fact check this (includes 2 post season games) 16 starts (and some situational play in a few other games )

Total Yards: 3835
Passing : 2885
Rushing: 950
Total TDs : 32
Interceptions: 9
Fumbles lost: 7
Completion percentage: 47.3%
QB rating: 78.1 (includes post season but the regular season is 75.1 , not sure I added this right)

almost 4000 yards and 32 TDs against 16 starts (and spot play in some other games) not bad for the worst QB that has ever played.

and no I do not think Tebow is better than Brady (please) but Tebow is not the chopped liver some of you guys make him out to be.

I will trust your stats. I am not impressed.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

Here, I found it for all you who can't stop polluting this Patriots board with this incessant Tebow talk.

Tim Tebow Forum - Topix

 

[Patriotic Fervor]

Call me stupid but I'd rather someone who can pass the ball proficiently and skill position players rather than a guy who is below average to OK in all, superb at none.

You mean like, uh, Kyle Orton?

 

[patsderoer]

He complete 47% of his passes and throws for less than 200 yards a game in a league where 250+ has become ordinary.
Blurring the fact by trying to add rushing yards to hide the fact he throws the ball poorly does not mean much to me.
In 9 of those starts, including 7 of the last 10 his team scored 18 points or less.
How can you really tell me that is good.
His 8-5 record this year would have been more like 3-10 with an average defense.

Thats because he had 2 young receivers and scrub TEs "helping him". Yet you chose to completely ignore this FACT, and harp on and on and on and on and on about his completion %.

A quality TE is a young QB's GOLDEN friend. When the young QB has scrub TEs and only 2 young receivers who can be doubled and taken out, it's obvious that his completion % with take a severe nosedive. Yet, when Tebow had a quality TE in college, his completion % was respectable.