Talking TEs - 2014 Draft

[Off The Grid]

I've always been kind of a tomb boy, so I love talking football!!!!

I thought that was you. Welcome.

 

[mayoclinic]

I agree with your positions of need. It's going to get very interesting if at 29 we come to pick and if Swanson, Pryor(crossing fingers), Ford, Ealy(wishful thinking), Donald, Hageman and Amaro are still available. It's such a deep draft that usually I don't like trading back but in this instance it might be worth it.

Oh, if that scenario ever happens I'm going Ealy and then Pryor. I know people will think I'm crazy for passing up Amaro but I want a bad defense!!!!

I don't think you'd be crazy at all. Manx might, though.

 

[ashley]

lol thanks!!!!!!

 

[manxman2601]

I don't think you'd be crazy at all. Manx might, though.

No I'd just debate her. I certainly wouldn't think her crazy. Although Kony Ealy

Only kidding.

Edit: I would point out though that although I'm saying that we should go TE first, I've also said that I'm open to other players like Donald, Hageman, Tuitt etc. Unlike some, I'm not the one saying we should automatically remove one half of the team from first round consideration.

 

[mayoclinic]

No I'd just debate her. I certainly wouldn't think her crazy. Although Kony Ealy

Only kidding.

Edit: I would point out though that although I'm saying that we should go TE first, I've also said that I'm open to other players like Donald, Hageman, Tuitt etc. Unlike some, I'm not the one saying we should automatically remove one half of the team from first round consideration.

For the record, I'm not saying that either (and I understand that you're not singling me out in this discussion). As I've said before, Eric Ebron would certainly merit serious consideration in the (unlikely) chance he was on the board at 29.

I have a strong philosophical bias against taking WRs and RBs in the 1st round, which removes a lot of players from consideration. QB, TE, and OL are all equally important with any defensive position IMO. I don't see a slam dunk interior OL this year - maybe Zach Martin or Xavier Su'a-Filo, but not at the moment for me - and I probably wouldn't go QB right now (though next year I probably would target a QB in the 1st round), so that again limits the options.

I have gone on record that I consider Greg Robinson the top prospect in the draft, so I'm certainly not anti-offense. Ironically, I'm "pro defense" and I would take Robinson over Jadeveon Clowney any day; you're "pro offense", and I suspect you would do the opposite.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

I have a strong philosophical bias against taking WRs and RBs in the 1st round, which removes a lot of players from consideration. QB, TE, and OL are all equally important with any defensive position IMO. I don't see a slam dunk interior OL this year - maybe Zach Martin or Xavier Su'a-Filo, but not at the moment for me - and I probably wouldn't go QB right now (though next year I probably would target a QB in the 1st round), so that again limits the options.

I have gone on record that I consider Greg Robinson the top prospect in the draft, so I'm certainly not anti-offense. Ironically, I'm "pro defense" and I would take Robinson over Jadeveon Clowney any day; you're "pro offense", and I suspect you would do the opposite.

I have to agree with you on not taking WR's or RB's in round one.

However, I do think OT Mathews of Texas A&M is the best player in this draft.

The best interior lineman in this draft is Yankey of Stanford. I would take him at #29 if I could not trade back.

After pick 24 or 25, this draft gets really dicey with all the blue and red chip players gone. So I do think trading back is the best option for BB. (Unless one of the red chippers falls to #29)

 

[mayoclinic]

I have to agree with you on not taking WR's or RB's in round one.

However, I do think OT Mathews of Texas A&M is the best player in this draft.

The best interior lineman in this draft is Yankey of Stanford. I would take him at #29 if I could not trade back.

After pick 24 or 25, this draft gets really dicey with all the blue and red chip players gone. So I do think trading back is the best option for BB. (Unless one of the red chippers falls to #29)

I'm not sure about Yankey vs. Martin and Su'a-Filo, but I have no problem with taking an OL at 29 (or with a slight trade back) if BB feels that is the best option available. I personally prefer Robinson to Matthews, but that's a matter of taste. Matthews is certainly the more polished prospect right now.

 

[everlong]

Oh, if that scenario ever happens I'm going Ealy and then Pryor. I know people will think I'm crazy for passing up Amaro but I want a bad defense!!!!

I don't like Amaro in the first even if he's the only one of the group still there. I just don't think he's a first round value and I question if he'll be a difference maker at the next level. I'm in the vast minority and Manx certainly does think I'm crazy.

EDIT: I think Seferian-Jenkins is going to come off the board before Amaro the more I look at them and I'm about 99% sure ASJ is going to go in the first round. If all the defenders are gone I wouldn't have an issue with him at 29 but would with Amaro.

 

[mayoclinic]

I don't like Amaro in the first even if he's the only one of the group still there. I just don't think he's a first round value and I question if he'll be a difference maker at the next level. I'm in the vast minority and Manx certainly does think I'm crazy.

EDIT: I think Seferian-Jenkins is going to come off the board before Amaro the more I look at them and I'm about 99% sure ASJ is going to go in the first round. If all the defenders are gone I wouldn't have an issue with him at 29 but would with Amaro.

I've also gone on record that I don't think Amaro is a 1st round value, and I agree with everything you said. Manx obviously disagrees.

 

[cupofjoe1962]

Although I like ASJ and Ebron etc quite a bit. I'd prefer to see the team not spend a first round pick on a tight end. There is plenty of value to go with one on day day 3.

I'm tired of this pathetic 3rd down defense. Yeah they got players coming back from injury and the team is definitely improving but they need another DT and DE/OLB who can collapse the pocket or rush from the edge. It's probably the most glaring need and will make this d elite once it's addressed properly.

With so much talent in the first and second I'd hope for Van Noy, Hageman,Murphy, Truitt, Donald, Ford or Jernigan before I'd take a Tight End.

What do you suggest we draft in the 1st round?
Please don't mention a Rutgers 5-10, 180 lb defensive back.
I have seen enough of Bill's DB selections to root for anything but a
DB in the 1st or 2nd round.

Unless Rodney or Ty Law have a son in the draft.

 

[Kontradiction]

The TE need in the draft strongly depends on what happens in FA. I think the Pats are going to look at guys like Chandler, Pitta, and Finley (who should come cheaper due to injury history). I'm not a big fan of Pettigrew so I would prefer if they stay away from him. ASJ is my favorite TE in the draft and would compliment Gronk extremely well. As I said before, I wouldn't mind Niklas either.

 

[everlong]

I
However, I do think OT Mathews of Texas A&M is the best player in this draft.

Mayo and I were debating Matthews and Robinson in another thread last week. I think Robinson is the better athlete and has better agility and footwork. Why I like Matthews better is because he's far more physical. They were interviewing a bunch of SEC defenders and asking who's the best player you've played against. I was expecting them all to name a skill position player and almost all said Matthews. When asked why they commented on how physical he is and how he just never quits. That's the guy I want. I do agree with Mayo that Robinson has Walter Jones type of potential but I really like Matthews.

 

[mayoclinic]

What do you suggest we draft in the 1st round?
Please don't mention a Rutgers 5-10, 180 lb defensive back.
I have seen enough of Bill's DB selections to root for anything but a
DB in the 1st or 2nd round.

Unless Rodney or Ty Law have a son in the draft.

You didn't address the question to me, but guys I think are worth taking at 29:

- TE Eric Ebron
- DT Timmy Jernigan
- DT Ra'Shede Hageman
- DE Trent Murphy
- S Calvin Pryor

Borderline: TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins, OG Zach Martin, OG Xavier Su'a-Filo, DT Louis Nix, DT Aaron Donald, DE Kony Ealy

 

[everlong]

ASJ is my favorite TE in the draft and would compliment Gronk extremely well. As I said before, I wouldn't mind Niklas either.

He's mine too. ASJ with a healthy Gronk would be beast mode to the max.

 

[ashley]

You didn't address the question to me, but guys I think are worth taking at 29:

- TE Eric Ebron
- DT Timmy Jernigan
- DT Ra'Shede Hageman
- DE Trent Murphy
- S Calvin Pryor

Borderline: TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins, OG Zach Martin, OG Xavier Su'a-Filo, DT Louis Nix, DT Aaron Donald, DE Kony Ealy

Would love if Pryor is there but I think the closer we get to the draft, the more unrealistic that is going to be. I have heard recently that Murphy is slipping and that he is not going to wow at the combine. Imagine how great it would be if he slips to us in the 2nd round!!! Would be the steal of the draft. Do you think any way he falls to us?

Would also love Jernigan, Ealy(sorry Manx lol) Donald and Nix!!!!!

 

[Kontradiction]

Welcome to the Board Ashley!

It's good to have more gals around our nerdy Pats-centric walls, especially those that like to step right in and talk draft. Good to have you!

I'm also in agreement about tight end, there is a lot of depth at the position and I'm in favor of grabbing one of those in the middle rounds. Arthur Lynch is a guy I'd add to the list, I'm a big fan of his. Now if Eric Ebron slipped...that may get me to change my tune, but I doubt he will.

As much as Hooman has been serviceable, I wouldn't even be opposed to doubling up, grabbing another in the 7th---maybe Lyerla if his (mental) health checks out?

Agreed. This hormone driven 27 year old male thinks that she's either going to make some man very happy one day, or she's going to terrify him with the fact that she knows more about football than he does.

But welcome to the board regardless! Your contributions have been solid thus far.

 

[manxman2601]

I don't like Amaro in the first even if he's the only one of the group still there. I just don't think he's a first round value and I question if he'll be a difference maker at the next level. I'm in the vast minority and Manx certainly does think I'm crazy.

EDIT: I think Seferian-Jenkins is going to come off the board before Amaro the more I look at them and I'm about 99% sure ASJ is going to go in the first round. If all the defenders are gone I wouldn't have an issue with him at 29 but would with Amaro.

I've also gone on record that I don't think Amaro is a 1st round value, and I agree with everything you said. Manx obviously disagrees.

I'm not a huge Amaro fan, he's the third TE for me and some way behind Ebron and ASJ. I would however take him before I take a safety or an interior OL (Zach Martin possibly excluded).

 

[mayoclinic]

Agreed. This hormone driven 27 year old male thinks that she's either going to make some man very happy one day, or she's going to terrify him with the fact that she knows more about football than he does.

Or both. They're not incompatible.

 

[ashley]

I'm not a huge Amaro fan, he's the third TE for me and some way behind Ebron and ASJ. I would however take him before I take a safety or an interior OL (Zach Martin possibly excluded).

Here is the big question: if ASJ is still available(which from what I've been reading he will be), would you take him with our first round pick or would you go defensive line with that first pick?

 

[manxman2601]

Here is the big question: if ASJ is still available(which from what I've been reading he will be), would you take him with our first round pick or would you go defensive line with that first pick?

I'd probably take ASJ. Donald and Hageman might make me reconsider but there's no DL other than that right now. I think TE is a bigger need than DL but the respective prospects factor into that decision. I'd most likely take Hageman and Donald over Amaro but Amaro over Jernigan or Ealy. Hope that makes sense.