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Re: "Damaging information about Adalius Thomas"...Tanquay

BB has in drop back in coverage on 99% of the plays. Its the system...and you rarely see a running back or reciever with a big gain when covered by Adalius.

He is not a practice due to a serious personal issue

I hope everything is okay.

And I agree about your point in how we are using AD. He's out there in coverage most of the time. The only game I ever saw of him where he was specifically used as a rusher was 07 Super Bowl and I thought he was awesome that game.

For some reason, BB thinks he is more useful in space/coverage.
 
Re: "Damaging information about Adalius Thomas"...Tanquay

BB has in drop back in coverage on 99% of the plays. Its the system...and you rarely see a running back or reciever with a big gain when covered by Adalius.

He is not a practice due to a serious personal issue

Someone really needs to change the title of this ill conceived thread or lock it or just delete it, unless of course that would upset everyone who wants to vent about something they aren't equipped to know squat about. Sorry, there I go twisting that pole up my ass again, I guess...
 
Re: "Damaging information about Adalius Thomas"...Tanquay

Someone really needs to change the title of this ill conceived thread or lock it or just delete it, unless of course that would upset everyone who wants to vent about something they aren't equipped to know squat about. Sorry, there I go twisting that pole up my ass again, I guess...

AD is beastly, but it would rock to see him spending more energy charging QB's. More likely, this is damaging information for those trying to conceal that we've only played five games and that our DC is suspect at times.

And agreed about the title. Badness.
 
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Re: "Damaging information about Adalius Thomas"...Tanquay

When Thomas was with the Ravens he would line up almost anywhere on the field, with the exception of DT or CB. Belichick absolutely loves that kind of versatility and that is why he wanted to sign him as a free agent. The Ravens played a much more agressive defense then, which resulted in more sacks. Fans assumed and expected the same type of play from Thomas once he came here as a Patriot.

But the Pats coaching staff has felt compelled to play a more passive defense than what the Ravens employed the last two years due to the rest of the personnel on the field, and possibly due to the way some penalties are called now as well. Their decision to go with a bend-but-don't-break philosophy is due to their belief that the risk of giving up big plays to the opponent was not worth the potential reward of the big play (sack, turnover) by the defense.

Fans naturally yearn for that big play, so when they don't get it they point fingers at pass rushers for lack of sacks and corners for lack of interceptions on defense, as well as receivers and the quarterback for lack of touchdowns on offense. It's a natural reaction fueled by espn's highlight clips that include all the other team's big plays. Watch an hour of that and you walk away thinking every other team makes big plays all game long; you want the Patriots to have the big sack, the big interception, and the big touchdown of the day every week. And after a loss that becomes amplified to a point of 'we lost because this guy didn't make a highlight play' finger pointing.

Now has Adalius Thomas lost a half step? Maybe, I don't know. But in my opinion the biggest problem is that fan expectations are not in sync with the team's current defensive philosophy.
 
Re: "Damaging information about Adalius Thomas"...Tanquay

With Seau in, can we rotate him and Guyton to Mike or Will and have Pierre Woods to the other side and line up AD at DE with his hand in the ground for pass rush in a 4-3? Did AD play with his hand on the ground in college? Just saying that he is big and still has speed given the fact that he's been assigned to coverage duties this year and can still keep up with slot receivers and tight ends, and could possibly pose a problem going directly against some of the tackles we play this year...
 
Re: "Damaging information about Adalius Thomas"...Tanquay

With Seau in, can we rotate him and Guyton to Mike or Will and have Pierre Woods to the other side and line up AD at DE with his hand in the ground for pass rush in a 4-3? Did AD play with his hand on the ground in college? Just saying that he is big and still has speed given the fact that he's been assigned to coverage duties this year and can still keep up with slot receivers and tight ends, and could possibly pose a problem going directly against some of the tackles we play this year...

Yes. AD has & can play DE in a passing situation.
 
Re: "Damaging information about Adalius Thomas"...Tanquay

Fans naturally yearn for that big play, so when they don't get it they point fingers at pass rushers for lack of sacks and corners for lack of interceptions on defense, as well as receivers and the quarterback for lack of touchdowns on offense. It's a natural reaction fueled by espn's highlight clips that include all the other team's big plays.

I hate espn as much as anyone, but don't you think it's true that the lack of these sorts of big plays is a genuine issue with the Pats' D? Looking back at the Super Bowl years, from Ty Law to Harrison to Bruschi, etc., it does seem to me that "big plays" were a vital component to a winning defense. Strong fundamentals, sound tackling, etc., for sure. But an interception at a key point of a game does do wonders.
 
Re: "Damaging information about Adalius Thomas"...Tanquay

The truth is, since he wasn't a starter for several years to start his career, some people thought he really had less wear on him than average. Well that theory has also been pretty severely debunked.
 
Re: "Damaging information about Adalius Thomas"...Tanquay

Thomas had quite a bit to say when Seymour was traded.
 
Re: "Damaging information about Adalius Thomas"...Tanquay

Yes. AD has & can play DE in a passing situation.

Which is why I do not understand taking him off the field on 3rd down. He's only on the field for 60% of the snaps but he's the highest paid defensive player for a reason.
 
Re: "Damaging information about Adalius Thomas"...Tanquay

The guy is an excellent coverage linebacker. I expect him to be rushing the passer on sub packages soon if Burgess continues to show nothing. And, with Seau in the fold, we'll be able to play more 3-4, allowing AD to move back to his natural position of 3-4 OLB.
 
Re: "Damaging information about Adalius Thomas"...Tanquay

Can somebody tell me what the title means and what it has to do with this thread? Talk about misleading!
 
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Re: "Damaging information about Adalius Thomas"...Tanquay

Can somebody tell me what the title means and what it has to do with this thread? Talk about misleading!

Yeah, bad job by the OP here. Even from a credible source you wait to hear the news before starting a thread about it, let alone some idiot on the radio.
 
Re: "Damaging information about Adalius Thomas"...Tanquay

He's too slow to be a coverage linebacker (yes I know what he ran in college or whatever), he's not quick enough. Passrushing is not his forte either, apparently....what did they sign this guy for again?

Best case play the 4-3 and have Mayo as an OLB and him as a MLB. Maybe that'll cover up his deficiencies.
 
Re: "Damaging information about Adalius Thomas"...Tanquay

When Thomas was with the Ravens he would line up almost anywhere on the field, with the exception of DT or CB. Belichick absolutely loves that kind of versatility and that is why he wanted to sign him as a free agent. The Ravens played a much more agressive defense then, which resulted in more sacks. Fans assumed and expected the same type of play from Thomas once he came here as a Patriot.

But the Pats coaching staff has felt compelled to play a more passive defense than what the Ravens employed the last two years due to the rest of the personnel on the field, and possibly due to the way some penalties are called now as well. Their decision to go with a bend-but-don't-break philosophy is due to their belief that the risk of giving up big plays to the opponent was not worth the potential reward of the big play (sack, turnover) by the defense.

Fans naturally yearn for that big play, so when they don't get it they point fingers at pass rushers for lack of sacks and corners for lack of interceptions on defense, as well as receivers and the quarterback for lack of touchdowns on offense. It's a natural reaction fueled by espn's highlight clips that include all the other team's big plays. Watch an hour of that and you walk away thinking every other team makes big plays all game long; you want the Patriots to have the big sack, the big interception, and the big touchdown of the day every week. And after a loss that becomes amplified to a point of 'we lost because this guy didn't make a highlight play' finger pointing.

Now has Adalius Thomas lost a half step? Maybe, I don't know. But in my opinion the biggest problem is that fan expectations are not in sync with the team's current defensive philosophy.

Great post! I think you nailed it completely on the head. But I also think smart coaches, like McDaniels, know how to exploit our D. We're weak at LB and vulnerable to the short, underneath stuff.
 
I think Thomas is playing out of position on the outside when we are 3-4. He needs to be inside next to Mayo. He has the strength and the quickness to stack and shed on running plays and he can cover. As a rush outside LB, he is being gobbled up by bigger and stronger OT's because he does not have elite quickness. It is a complete mismatch.
 
Re: "Damaging information about Adalius Thomas"...Tanquay

this defense with BB as the coach has been a top 10 defense all most ever year

but they only had a 10 sack season from a player one time

mike vrabel in 2007 and he got half of he's sack's in a blow out win VS washington

rosevelt colvin was a 10 sack every year player for the bears and he never got 10 sack's with the pats

AD got 10 sack's one time in a year that the ravens had 60 sack's and had 3 more guy's with 10 or more sack's

this D is not big on individual stat's over the year's i can count the pro bowl player's on one hand

but even with that said to pay AD all most 7 million just to cover a TE is crazy he need's to be a run stoper get more tackels im sure a 2 million dollar safety can do he's job just as good if not better
 
Re: "Damaging information about Adalius Thomas"...Tanquay

Someone really needs to change the title of this ill conceived thread or lock it or just delete it, unless of course that would upset everyone who wants to vent about something they aren't equipped to know squat about. Sorry, there I go twisting that pole up my ass again, I guess...
Maybe if you had read the start of the thread you would have seen where I said I tried to delete the thread (and was unable to) after I learned what it was all about....HOW it was more Tanguay BS as opposed to something serious...HOW he presented it before wasn't very good...and I noticed that after a bit of time he CHANGED what he said to "Talking about damaging information about Adalius Thomas's numbers"...a BIT of a difference I would say.
 
Re: "Damaging information about Adalius Thomas"...Tanquay

from what I can see. he has been missing more then just practice. He seems to be missing large portions of the game. It weird, you see him warming up, but when the game starts, he disappears.

I've also noticed this trend. lol
 
Re: "Damaging information about Adalius Thomas"...Tanquay

Maybe if you had read the start of the thread you would have seen where I said I tried to delete the thread (and was unable to) after I learned what it was all about....HOW it was more Tanguay BS as opposed to something serious...HOW he presented it before wasn't very good...and I noticed that after a bit of time he CHANGED what he said to "Talking about damaging information about Adalius Thomas's numbers"...a BIT of a difference I would say.

Had you waited 4 more minutes before pressing submit...

But even then you can edit the post itself and if not PM a mod or Ian since they seem to be on extended break this afternoon...

Instead we now have a 6 hour old, 4 page long thread on non existent damaging information about Adalius Thomas...
 
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