T. Brown: "BJGE a future star in the NFL"

[Kontradiction]

Could you explain to me how getting a carry on the first play of the game matters?

In 2006, Maroney had 175 carries. In 2007, with injuries on top of being in a pass-first offense, he took 185. In 2008, he had 28 in three games with a busted shoulder before going out for the season. In 2009, he was most definitely our workhorse and had 194 carries. Now, I'm not mathematician. But I'd feel pretty safe in pointing out that it appears as if Maroney took more than just "a carry on the first play of the game".

 

[Synovia]

In 2006, Maroney had 175 carries. In 2007, with injuries on top of being in a pass-first offense, he took 185. In 2008, he had 28 in three games with a busted shoulder before going out for the season. In 2009, he was most definitely our workhorse and had 194 carries. Now, I'm not mathematician. But I'd feel pretty safe in pointing out that it appears as if Maroney took more than just "a carry on the first play of the game".

Well, considering that my comment was about BJGE, you totally missed the point.

 

[shmessy]

YouTube - Draftguys TV: Profile - B. Green-Ellis - RB

a little draft video on BJGE

Watching that video and hearing the analysis, all I could think was "There's Kevin Faulk's heir apparent".

 

[shmessy]

We've seen 3 years of the guy now. So have the coaches. If he was a stud, he'd have been starting already.

Said by how many people on the old forum website before the 1996 season about Troy Brown?

 

[BradyFTW!]

And he is probably one of the better analysts out there.

I'd like to see some real data on Maroney -- what are his percentages for picking up first downs on 3rd and short? How does his fumbling really compare to the average over the last few seasons? Is he really prone to losing big yardage?

I know we all like to think these things, but I'm not sure the real numbers bear them out.

That's what Football Outsiders' success rate measures. In previous years, he tended to be good-to-very-good on success rate. Last year, not quite so much.

 

[Triumph]

We're talking about RB. It isn't a position where a player takes years to develop to be good. Can anyone remember the last RB who emerged as a star three or four years in their career after being a JAG for the time before.

I can understand why the Pats like the guy since he works really hard, but the guy hasn't even rushed 500 yards for his career and this is his third year. I think he will never be anything more than a change of pace guy. Brown is way off on this.

IMO, Troy is just being a class act and not kicking Maroney when hes down.

Maroney has a great opportunity ahead of him to prove all the naysayers wrong, and to me, Brown is giving him a boost of confidence.

 

[Synovia]

Said by how many people on the old forum website before the 1996 season about Troy Brown?

I love Troy Brown, but he was no stud either.

 

[Patspsycho]

We're talking about RB. It isn't a position where a player takes years to develop to be good. Can anyone remember the last RB who emerged as a star three or four years in their career after being a JAG for the time before.

Kevin Faulk!

 

[Synovia]

Kevin Faulk!

I don't know that I'd actually call Kevin Faulk a runningback. The position he plays is completely different from the guys who come in on 1st and second down.

His responsibilities are just too different. The things he does well (blocking, recieving) are exactly the things that are tough to learn.


The things that BJGE does (somewhat) well are the things that are a dime a dozen.

 

[Patspsycho]

I don't know that I'd actually call Kevin Faulk a runningback. The position he plays is completely different from the guys who come in on 1st and second down.

His responsibilities are just too different. The things he does well (blocking, recieving) are exactly the things that are tough to learn.


The things that BJGE does (somewhat) well are the things that are a dime a dozen.

He started off as a running back and evolved into a 3rd down specialist.

 

[Kontradiction]

Well, considering that my comment was about BJGE, you totally missed the point.

Aye! :ugh: Fair enough, then. I'm not sure why people are expecting BJGE to become an all star either. Like I said, he averaged 4.0 YPC against the Bengals this week. If he can keep that up, he'll be a decent option in the backfield.

 

[Synovia]

He started off as a running back and evolved into a 3rd down specialist.

Which is the point. He's still not a good 1st down running back, so using him to answer "Can anyone remember the last RB who emerged as a star three or four years in their career after being a JAG for the time before." Isn't really honest, because hes not really a runningback anymore.


There are some examples of guys, but they're all much better than BJGE early in their career, and they're generally more in the Faulk mode.

 

[shmessy]

I love Troy Brown, but he was no stud either.

The man played 15 years with one team.

Over the three years of 2000, 2001 and 2002 he averaged over 91 receptions per year.

He was a stud. He just didn't act like one.

 

[BAM!]

I think Brown is right on point with this, I mean just watch the guy run. Do I think that he will be a workhorse of a running back, no. I do think though that in the RBBC scheme he will be very successful and get the first downs on 3rd and short and that's all that I expect of the guy and this is how he will be a star for this team. Maroney couldn't do it and couldn't be counted on health wise.

I approve this move by BB, I even told him so when he asked my opinion.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Said by how many people on the old forum website before the 1996 season about Troy Brown?

With Troy Brown, wasn't it more an issue of Carroll never really using him to the best of his talents? No coincidence that he had career years once Belichick came into town. That's definitely one caveat that I'd throw in there for the whole mid-career renaissance thing... of course, I'm not even remotely sold on the idea that BJGE is just being improperly utilized. WR is also a much more developmental position than RB. There's far more track record of WRs taking a couple of years to 'get it'.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

The man played 15 years with one team.

Over the three years of 2000, 2001 and 2002 he averaged over 91 receptions per year.

He was a stud. He just didn't act like one.

Troy was a slot receiver making catches over the middle where the meanie LBs roam.

Plus that he returned punts, no job for the faint of heart as that ball comes down and the gunners approach.

Played some D too.

A total stud for a 5' 10" guy not built like a fireplug.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

I think Brown is right on point with this, I mean just watch the guy run. Do I think that he will be a workhorse of a running back, no. I do think though that in the RBBC scheme he will be very successful and get the first downs on 3rd and short and that's all that I expect of the guy and this is how he will be a star for this team. Maroney couldn't do it and couldn't be counted on health wise.

I approve this move by BB, I even told him so when he asked my opinion.

The article noting that "Maroney no longer fit in" is appropriate.

The problem is we don't seem to remember the situation in 2006 when he was drafted.

2006 was the heyday of LT/Westbrook/Larry Johnson/E James. Feature backs were stars and in 2005 we were extremely "pass happy".

Remember the blowout in Cincy and Maroney's finest moment? We were going to be ball control, running team (Reche days).

By 2007, that totally went out the window. Maroney was not going to be a "feature back". He was also not suited for the role we needed which was old A Smith.

The "could have been" was not some Larry Czonka style running. It would have been in the Brian Westbrook mode.

It's not hard to understand why the Eagles have had so much problem running the ball and having a tough time picking up 3rd and 1's.

Best guess is that's what JMcD has in mind since he doesn't have a franchise QB.

 

[Synovia]

The man played 15 years with one team.

Over the three years of 2000, 2001 and 2002 he averaged over 91 receptions per year.

He was a stud. He just didn't act like one.

If Brown from 2000-2002 is a stud, what the hell is Welker?

 

[The Brandon Five]

If Brown from 2000-2002 is a stud, what the hell is Welker?

Troy Brown on Viagra

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

I respect Troy's opinion but BJGE is an average back,nothing special and probably never will...I do expect Ben to be more of a factor in games than Maroney was but then again it's not hard to beat that.

When a former player plays alongside of a guy for years and says he is a bust that's one thing,when a former player wants to predict the future of a current player then that's more of an analysts guess..two different things